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  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    Treeleaf is worthless

    Sometimes I'm not sure why I come here. There is nothing to be gained by coming here. Same stories. Different character. Dogen this, Dogen that. Buddha this, Buddha that. Blah, blah, blah. What's the point? What's the answer? What's the question?

    On more than one occasion I have gotten rid of Tapatalk on my iPhone and iPad and deleted the bookmark for Treeleaf on my web browser saying to myself "I'm not coming back to this place. There is nothing here for me."

    Zen is pointless. Zen teachers are pointless. Treeleaf is pointless. Buddha is pointless. A complete waste of time. It has taken me two and a half years of sitting and countless books to realize this. My only teacher is my Zafu.

    Now, with a clean slate, I'm ready to learn. Buddha is my teacher, Dogen is my teacher, the teachers at Treeleaf are my teachers, you are my teacher, the moon, trees, rocks, cats and rats are my teachers. I seek Dharma from all of you.

    Gassho, John
  • Kyonin
    Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
    • Oct 2010
    • 6749

    #2
    I don't seek anything from you.

    Still you are a good teacher.

    Gassho,

    Kyonin
    Hondō Kyōnin
    奔道 協忍

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    • Jinyo
      Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1957

      #3


      and




      Willow

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      • Taigu
        Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
        • Aug 2008
        • 2710

        #4
        Excellent John, truly humbling. I am happy you dropped a few heavy bags filled with expectations and now you are ready to pick up...the whole universe!

        Gassho

        Empty handed


        Taigu

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        • Myosha
          Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 2974

          #5
          From one beginner to a beginner. . .


          Gassho,
          Edward
          "Recognize suffering, remove suffering." - Shakyamuni Buddha when asked, "Uhm . . .what?"

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          • Mp

            #6
            Ah you learn well Grasshopper. Thank you for this teaching John.

            Gassho
            Shingen

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40353

              #7
              Absolutely the the best, most worthless, pointless thing ever said to me and Taigu since we opened the doors on this place! Thank you!


              Yes! Absolutely worthless, pointless and a total waste of time! Nine bows. Now we can finally get somewhere!


              I keep trying to hint as much, but folks keep wanting more. Many go elsewhere looking for it.


              WHAT's NEXT!?!
              Almost each week someone asks me, "What comes next in my practice? How do I deepen it? What should I do now? What book should I read with all the secrets? I feel like something is still missing and that I must do more." But how can I respond to such a question when the very heart of this Path is learning to live and


              The BEST Zen is SO DISAPPOINTING!
              THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ZEN TALK YOU WILL EVER HEAR, though pretty mediocre and quite forgettable. It will save Zen Students endless tail chasing and dead-ends, disappointments and wasted days ... by pointing out that tail chasing is arriving, wasted days are timeless. It will allow every Sitting to be Magnificent ... both



              Nine Bows. Jundo
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Taikyo
                Friend of Treeleaf
                • Nov 2012
                • 363

                #8
                [QUOTEZen student to zen teacher: "My mediation is awful I can't concentrate it is useless worthless I might as well leave the monastry now right away,"Zen teacher: " It will pass."
                Time passes
                Zen student to zen teacher: "My meditation is fabulous, satori, Kensho, Enlightenment! Wonderful!"
                Zen teacher: " It will pass."
                Time passes][/QUOTE]

                Gassho

                David

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                • Genshin
                  Member
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 467

                  #9
                  Thank you John, Jundo.

                  Gassho
                  Matt

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                  • Juki
                    Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 771

                    #10
                    Originally posted by John C.
                    Zen is pointless. Zen teachers are pointless. Treeleaf is pointless. Buddha is pointless. Gassho, John
                    Pointlessness is pointless. Or is it?

                    Gassho,

                    William
                    Last edited by Juki; 06-21-2013, 05:29 PM.
                    "First you have to give up." Tyler Durden

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                    • Risho
                      Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 3179

                      #11
                      speaking of that... on the way to work I pass a dentist's office that always has a different quote of the week on their marquee or sign. This weeks says "pencils with broken tips are pointless." hahaahah

                      Gassho,

                      Risho
                      Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                      • Joyo

                        #12
                        Thank you for the reminder. Can family members, who think I'm insane for converting to Buddhism, be my teacher?? I guess they can be.

                        Gassho,
                        Treena

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                        • Nengyo
                          Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 668

                          #13
                          Damn it, I knew I should have waited to get that full back treeleaf zendo tattoo.
                          If I'm already enlightened why the hell is this so hard?

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                          • Jishin
                            Member
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 4821

                            #14

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                            • Shohei
                              Member
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 2854

                              #15
                              Thank you John!
                              Its all worthless, and precious when we let go of the need to value it

                              Gassho

                              Shohei

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