Kensho, Satori, Enlightenment, Realization!!!

[will]

Now. This practice is an interesting thing. We have a Kensho or something and feel the need to reference it in a book. Now perhaps pondering the question whether or not one has a real Kensho experience seems to me to be of no practical use, other than showing us one more reason to sit. If one truly experiences something than there should be no doubt or doubt should be seen. All this talk of confirming a Kensho experience really, really, I don't see the need for it. However, some of it would make for a great movie or chat. What is Kensho; but only a crumb of a much larger cake and perhaps nothing at all. Hanging out with friends enjoying a movie or sitting seems more appealling than Kensho.

F*** Kensho Pardon my English

G,W

[Longdog]

Hi Harry

I know this is off thread but as you mentioned him...

did you see Derren Browns most recent one 'Heist'. Over a very long and protracted period of suggestions and finding the right 'candidate's ' he set up an opportunity for 4 of them to rob a security man 'of their own free will'. 3 of them actually did it and couldn't beleive afterwards they had.

If you assume that the whole thing isn't a set up, the thing it showed to me is how difficult it is to get people to do things that they really wouldn't normally do, out of the whole process, tests, the way the opportunity was set up etc. he still only managed to get 3 people to do it.

Makes you think about 'free will' in a society of marketing campaigns in every medium.


Kev

[Ankai]

The moon is not the reflection in the puddle -- I am not my reflection in the mirror. The moon is not the reflection in my mind. ....


Something to remember is that the moon itself, even when we see it in all it's full, beautiful splendor, even with it's powerful effect on this planet, it's tides, weather, systems, life, and beings... is nothing. the moon has no light or warmth of its own. All we see is reflected light.

[Jundo]

The moon in the water ...

[will]

Now that's a full moon. Yikes.

G,W

[Rev R]

The moon in the water ...

:lol:

[Lynn]

Jundo, that's a lovely photo of your Transmission. Thank you for sharing it.

And...I gotta say....I've noticed the uncanny resemblence between you and Junpei from the get go. Dopplegangers? Separated at birth? Not two? Heh...good fun!

Thanks to you both for your considered replies. Very interesting grist.

In Gassho~

*Lynn

[Jundo]

Actually, it's a look ... plump Zen guy with beard. Put a red suit on us, and we make dandy Santas this time of year.

A couple more of our dopplegangers (who I sometimes am confused with at formal Zen parties) ..

Ven, Anzan Hoshin



Ven. Steve Hagen



Ven, Shishin Wick



Ven. Daniel Terragno



It would quite a police line-up.

Gassho, J

[Jun]

Actually, it's a look ... plump Zen guy with beard.

Not at all intentional. There isn't a fashion code that we must adopt.

Put a red suit on us, and we make dandy Santas this time of year.

I've done that a couple of times!

[will]

When I first started practicing I thought Zen Masters ate too much. Haha. Except for Suzuki Roshi. He was a little skinny guy.

G,W