Throw everything away!!!

[shikantazen]

UG is no better than Krishnamurti. They both could well be enlightened but they belong to the non-dual school where they say you don't need to practice or do anything and you are already enlightened. Well we may be enlightened already but it takes some practice to realize that. As my previous teacher says, even though the journey is from here to here, there is a distance to be traveled.

http://www.aypsite.org/348.html

[Jinyo]

UG is no better than Krishnamurti. They both could well be enlightened but they belong to the non-dual school where they say you don't need to practice or do anything and you are already enlightened. Well we may be enlightened already but it takes some practice to realize that. As my previous teacher says, even though the journey is from here to here, there is a distance to be traveled.

http://www.aypsite.org/348.html

Daily practice is key - I think we all feel that and understand that all the words, all the videos, all the 'teachings', all the gurus - (selfmade and created by others whether they want to be a guru or not) are not the essence of practice.

BUT - perhaps its necessary (for some of us) to go through the process of exploring, considering and then throwing out for ourselves. Maybe we waste a lot of time on the way - but that's a learning process too. Presumably our teachers also studied long and hard - walked down blind alleys and no through roads - learnt to discriminate - and understand at a deep level what it means to 'get rid of everything'.

Getting rid of everything is part of a personal journey?

I hope showing an interest in Krishnamurti doesn't necessarily mean I'm grabbing at the next new shiny toy - though I own to an element of that at times.

I'm just very interested in the historical backdrop .... and I got to all of that through the mention of Trungpa - who I hadn't even heard of

Gassho

Willow

[alan.r]

UG is no better than Krishnamurti. They both could well be enlightened but they belong to the non-dual school where they say you don't need to practice or do anything and you are already enlightened. Well we may be enlightened already but it takes some practice to realize that. As my previous teacher says, even though the journey is from here to here, there is a distance to be traveled.

http://www.aypsite.org/348.html

yeah, I didn't mean to imply that he was better, just different, and also, neither one of them zen, but maybe that didn't come through very well. i don't give two shits about either of them. i don't know; i'm just a little tired/bored with all this "that guy's not a real teacher" thing and in the face of "ZEN GUY 4", etc. it seems a silly dance to dance. i understand the need for people to say things like, hey, we do zen here. i do understand that. and that's what i practice, too (failingly, anyway). but, i digress, and i'm reading the wrong threads maybe.

[Amelia]

And,even if you are not happy,that great verbal and eloquent Krishnamurti would be my last choice for anything. When I was a teenager I thpought he was a great master. Now, i would receive teachings from anybody but not that great guy. Too verbal, too holly, too ...

In front of Trungpa he is but a bundle of beliefs.


In a dokusan, he is out,before opening his mouth


Please go and see for yourself. No need to believe the fool I am.

Gassho


T.

You are right: in a dokusan, he would be out before opening his mouth, and it wouldn't be any kind of mondo. He got frustrated by how confused those listening to him felt. If he considered them his students (I don't think he considered himself a teacher, but then why bother to talk so much?) he didn't make his teachings easy on them.

I have read a lot of Krishnamurti, that is true, but that was before I began practicing Zen. Krishnamurti is a peg in my philosophical knowledge and I sometimes read him when I am bored, like trying to solve a riddle, but I practice here. You told us to throw everything away, Taigu, and I have been chewing that.

[Matt]

"Once realized, no traces of Buddha, no whiff of awakening. ...Throw everything away"

Thank you for this teaching.

Gassho,
Matt J

[Yeshe]

I guess 'acting' might be the clue? If I'm 'acting' this way or that, then i'm acting rather than being true.

[jus]

thank you, taigu. this is exactly what i needed to hear right now. im curious by nature, and the advaita sounds appealing, and i love its teachings. but all in all it remains conceptualized (in me), since i dont practice it, but the concepts are always beautiful to me. and youre right, its teachings seem to be in everything now a days. right now, im full of info. all concepts. no peace.
gassho,
justin

[jus]

and j. and ug, all theyre good for is stringing you along, as if they know something that you dont, but wont say what it is or how to get it. all the while condemning others for not being like them (seemingly). i used to fry my brain on the crap too..

[McGettigan]

Taigu, I just wanted to say how much this post has helped me in the months since you wrote it. I know it was in relation to a specific conversation, but it's been a great help to me in general. I've returned to it almost weekly while at work, whenever some expectation became a resentment, as they tend to do.

I know I already said it above, but if it was very helpful to me today, and I wanted to say thank you.

Gassho.
Mc.

[Nindo]

Good to read this again.

[Amelia]

I agree that this is an effective teaching. Every once in a while, I hear Taigu saying, "Throw it away."

[Myosha]

Am going to open a used "abandoned raft" store.

Floatability not guaranteed.

Makes great firewood!

Thank you teacher.


Gassho,
Edward

[Joyo]

Thank you very much, Taigu. Just this morning, I was reflecting on how much I've changed, it's as if I do not understand The Way, I cannot even talk about it very eloquently, but it is changing me. I am calmer, and learning to take things in stride, yet even that probably needs to be thrown away, to a certain extent as well. I really appreciate this post!!

gassho,
Treena

[Nenka]

Every once in a while, I hear Taigu saying, "Throw it away."

Me too!

Gassho

Jen

[Taigu]

Every so often I hear very much the same...
How come?!!!!

Please take care and throw everything away even this throwing of everything away...

Gassho

T.