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  • WhiteLotus
    Member
    • Apr 2025
    • 49

    First Experience of Zazen

    Greetings everyone!


    Today I'd like to share a little about my first Zazen experience. Not so much experience as it was just reading about it.

    I don't recall when or where I read about it, though it was in my early teens. At the time it wasn't very interesting to me. Not because I thought it looked boring nor that I didn't understand it, but on the contrary. It was something I felt I understood, and had already somewhat been practicing years before between 7 and 12 years old. Mind you whatever source I had read was probably very basic, and my reflections are based on that limited knowledge at the time.

    Around 15 years old roughly is when we really start to challenge the things we have been presented. It's a normal part of developing a level of independence and putting to use the things you've learned. Damage done during this age is often reflected in how one later manages their "ego", self esteem, and other areas dealing with integration. So naturally when I read about the method of Zazen around that age, it seemed to me that the general effect was to quiet the mind, embody stillness, tranquility, and so on. Seemingly as a means of dissolving the turbulent nature of thoughts and feelings by repetitively mapping out pathways in the mind which are empty of grasping or rejecting. The more one does it, the more those pathways map out smoothly and free, and that efficient mapping causes a natural response to life circumstances which flow through that formless model unrestricted. Increasing the likelihood of realizing the fundamental.

    However, a thing that I challenged is that it seemed likely it would be prone to becoming a sort of nest or box, trapping the practitioner into a system of dependence. Indeed later in life I have met practitioners who talk about how hard it is to take samadhi from the cushion into daily life. To me that is indictive of a nest or perhaps "Zen sickness".

    So instead, I decided to flip the script. I had already witnessed that mental illness and great suffering was perpetuated needlessly throughout society. My only solution at the time, do the opposite of whatever it is they think one should do. Not really applied to stupid extremes, but more as a way of looking at things. So when it came to Zazen, I did the opposite. Find the peace in the most upsetting of circumstances, go to the hardest place to simply sit. Embody stillness in the chaos of daily life. Find the buddha in the marketplace.

    The hard path is generally the one I went towards. The theory was, if I can overcome the hardest conditions, the easer ones will come naturally. So far, that has been reliable throughout my life, though ultimately it isn't necessary.

    Funny enough, that is part of what brought me here. For a period I avoided looking into Soto Zen, and a number of things contributed to that point of view. In the process I noticed that I had hardened myself to the teachings, the community, and Zazen practice. Indeed I had found a nest! I noticed that the hard road for me right now was taking a fair and honest look at zazen, Soto, and the community you all have made here. Without the preconceptions I had formed.

    No doubt that on one hand, formality can easily become a social disease. A meat grinder chopping up people to make them into mindless copies of someone else's ideal. Robing this universe from their uniquely inherent nature. On the other hand structure and formality can also work as a refuge for those who have uncertainty and could use a little help along the way. A way of bringing us all together, giving a pathway to communicate experiences and share information, and so many other benefits.

    When I came here I was introduced the a different sort of Zazen than the one I had perceived. A zazen that is a rich embodiment of life itself simply as is. Something very much like an inexhaustible lamp, inexpressible, beautiful, and peaceful. No doubt I have much to learn from you all!

    I haven't practiced Zazen for long now. At this point there are still many things I do not know, and I haven't gone through enough of the introductory teachings offered here to assert I'm doing it. Though already I have noticed a number of changes to the mapping structures of my mind. In one regard it accelerates or deepens my ability to respond to circumstances with equanimity. In another regard it exposes a number of coping mechanisms in raw and uncomfortable way. I take it as a sign that those coping mechanisms are highly inefficient and ineffective for navigating those areas of life. The discomfort points me towards the simple solution, looking deeply into the area of my life I don't enjoy looking at. I take these phenomena, not as the point or goal of zazen, but perhaps as some fruit.

    As always, I offer you all my great ignorance on these matters, and I am so grateful for all the insightful input each of you have given along the way.

    Much love!

    Salem
    Sat&Lah
  • Bion
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2020
    • 5695

    #2
    Fact check yourself, is my unsolicited advice. Right now, or as soon as possible, sit down, cross the legs, keep the body upright, hands in the mudra, breathe through the nose, eyes open, drop thoughts, drop Zen, drop myself, drop memories, drop ideas and mental diarrhea, drop knowledge, drop it all, and just sit. That's the simplicity of the Buddha's sitting. Then, do it again

    Gassho
    sat lah
    "A person should train right here & now.
    Whatever you know as discordant in the world,
    don't, for its sake, act discordantly,
    for that life, the enlightened say, is short." - The Buddha

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 42551

      #3
      Originally posted by Bion
      Fact check yourself, is my unsolicited advice. Right now, or as soon as possible, sit down, cross the legs, keep the body upright, hands in the mudra, breathe through the nose, eyes open, drop thoughts, drop Zen, drop myself, drop memories, drop ideas and mental diarrhea, drop knowledge, drop it all, and just sit. That's the simplicity of the Buddha's sitting. Then, do it again

      Gassho
      sat lah
      Lovely.

      I could go on and on with the list of 'let it go, let it be, let it rest.' Sit untangled, in the wholeness and completion of sitting just to sit, sitting as the alpha omega, just this sitting a Buddha sitting.

      I might also say that, in this Sangha, the 'keep the body upright' is for those physically able. For those with physical restrictions, any posture that is as stable, balanced and comfortable as possible, sitting or reclining, is good.

      Gassho, J
      stlah
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Shui_Di
        Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 333

        #4
        Hi Salem, nice to hear that.

        Me too looking a lot of "realization" before. I read many teachings, until my head full of words. Words are important. But, when I got difficulty in my life, words doesn't help me. What I remember of "Wow" moment of realization, is already a memory. Wise words become meaningless.

        In my experience, it is like I knew a lot of form of Kungfu. I understand the Kata/Form. I know many types of strike or jab or punch. But the real situation is when we are on the Boxing Ring, or inside a Pentagon. In that times, my knowledge only is not helping. Knowing how to punch and able to punch are two different things.

        In Zazen, we just sit. It is not a theory or philosophical Zen. It is the practice of Zen. Very down to earth. Sit for nothing.

        If you know about Chinese classic, the Dao De Jing 道德經 said
        "無為而無不為“ "When nothing is done, nothing is left undone"


        So, enjoy sit with us Salem.

        Gassho, Mujo
        StLah
        Last edited by Shui_Di; 04-17-2025, 07:14 PM.
        Practicing the Way means letting all things be what they are in their Self-nature. - Master Dogen.

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        • WhiteLotus
          Member
          • Apr 2025
          • 49

          #5
          Originally posted by Shui_Di
          Hi Salem, nice to hear that.

          Me too looking a lot of "realization" before. I read many teachings, until my head full of words. Words are important. But, when I got difficulty in my life, words doesn't help me. What I remember of "Wow" moment of realization, is already a memory. Wise words become meaningless.

          In my experience, it is like I knew a lot of form of Kungfu. I understand the Kata/Form. I know many types of strike or jab or punch. But the real situation is when we are on the Boxing Ring, or inside a Pentagon. In that times, my knowledge only is not helping. Knowing how to punch and able to punch are two different things.

          In Zazen, we just sit. It is not a theory or philosophical Zen. It is the practice of Zen. Very down to earth. Sit for nothing.

          If you know about Chinese classic, the Dao De Jing 道德經 said
          "無為而無不為“ "When nothing is done, nothing is left undone"


          So, enjoy sit with us Salem.

          Gassho, Mujo
          StLah
          My dear friend Mujo! Thank you so much for the sincerity and warmth you've shared with me. I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said.

          Indeed, the reality is that nothing is done, and it is impossible for anything to be left undone. Here I always sit with you.

          I have never stepped into a Boxing Ring, or a Pentagon, nor have I learned any formal moves or technique. Though your knowledge doesn't help you do Kungfu when you are in the Boxing Ring or Pentagon with me, I imagine it would instantly become clear that I know nothing of Kungfu.

          Even with words I sit with you.

          From the teachings of Vimalakirti section 3 part 19 Vimalakirti tells: "‘Reverend Subhūti, the nature of all things is like illusion, like a magical incarnation. So you should not fear them. Why? All words also have that nature, and thus the wise are not attached to words, nor do they fear them. Why? All language does not ultimately exist, except as liberation. The nature of all things is liberation.’"

          Much love to you Mujo



          Salem
          satlah

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          • Seiko
            Novice Priest-in-Training
            • Jul 2020
            • 1423

            #6
            Hi Salem,

            As I am just a novice priest, I must insist that you please take a pinch of salt with any comments I make.

            Yes, I agree. Reading isn't necessarily bad, but it ain't zazen.

            Gasshō, Seiko
            Gandō Seiko
            頑道清光
            (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

            My street name is 'Al'.

            Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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            • WhiteLotus
              Member
              • Apr 2025
              • 49

              #7
              Originally posted by Seiko
              Hi Salem,

              As I am just a novice priest, I must insist that you please take a pinch of salt with any comments I make.

              Yes, I agree. Reading isn't necessarily bad, but it ain't zazen.

              Gasshō, Seiko
              Thank you for sharing Seiko! You're completely correct.

              When I sit, I simply sit. When I read, I simply read. When I translate, I simply translate.

              Zazen doesn't seems to have restrictions of sitting, laying, standing or walking around.

              It was simply in the nature of Zen masters to compile and distribute text, and it is simply in my nature to read, translate them, and share them with others.

              Indeed, sitting doesn't require reading, reading does not require sitting. But together they do complement one another.

              Much love Seiko!


              Salem
              sala

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              • Shui_Di
                Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 333

                #8
                Originally posted by WhiteLotus

                .

                Even with words I sit with you.

                From the teachings of Vimalakirti section 3 part 19 Vimalakirti tells: "‘Reverend Subhūti, the nature of all things is like illusion, like a magical incarnation. So you should not fear them. Why? All words also have that nature, and thus the wise are not attached to words, nor do they fear them. Why? All language does not ultimately exist, except as liberation. The nature of all things is liberation.’"

                Much love to you Mujo



                Salem
                satlah
                Hi Salem,

                Yes Indeed Salem. Me too, even with Sitting, I am talking to you

                But anyway, when we can see the river means we are not in it. When we dive into the river, we can't see the river, yet we are in the river.

                The true words is not words, yet we speak the words.

                The true sitting is not sitting, yet we sit.

                That's why Dogen Zenji said about Zazen to drop the body and mind, even though nothing is dropped.

                So let's sitting with words, and wording with sit.

                Gassho, Mujo
                Stlah

                Practicing the Way means letting all things be what they are in their Self-nature. - Master Dogen.

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