is Zen Zen without the Okesa?

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  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    is Zen Zen without the Okesa?

    This is a question asked by Myozan and I ll do my best to answer.

    Today, there is pretty much everything you can imagine from the most Japanese like kind of way of practice to the plain ordinary sitting without any prop, statue or robe. And all the variations in between. You may have a peep at all Gudo s Dharma heirs and see for yourself how different they are, how their style of practice varies. Just sitting without a robe is as valid as with a robe, sitting with a robe does nt give anybody the right to pontify and disqualify those that don t wear these Buddhist rags. And, those we don t wear the robe and don t understand it should refrain from making statements about the robe. And students, whoever they are, can be humble and refrain from criticizing or praising the robe, putting their trust in a teacher, they follow her or his example and teaching, would he or she wear the robe, so should they, if the teacher doesn t, they should do the same.

    Now, the robe was first made and sewn in the old days when Shakyamuni first taught roaming the land. It has been given through generations as the robe of sitting, the bones and flesh of Buddha, the real thing, and sewing was the rule beore monk shops opened and the okesa in its modern form came about in Meiji era. All the great teachers of the past revered the robe, wore it and taught how to make it. Dogen was very good with the needle, I could see his needle work on a kesa exhibited in Kyoto two years ago, and Sawaki revived this tradition making the robe available to lay people, people receiving Jukai and not just to priests.

    Zen was transmitted to me first by Deshimaru roshi and his close students, and then by Mike Chodo Cross Dharma heir of Gudo and also pretty good with a needle, sewing was for all my teachers a very important activity and wearing the robe a natural expression of just sitting.

    A few years ago, Jundo knowing I was in Japan asked me to make sure that sewing could be taught, practiced and therefore I started to instruct people, we recorded videos and I wrote a short book about it. Jundo and I would like every person taking the Buddhist vows to sew their rakusu, a small form of the okesa, the big robe, as we both see that although the black and white robes are not necessary ( they are Chinese and Japanese additions), the robe should be kept and can perfectly wrap a sitter in shorts, pans, t- shirt or even naked...of course you may be part of this Sangha and not wear the robe, not do the precepts ceremony and that s perfectly OK. And if you come and start to question the robe, I would simply advise you to sit a good thirty years and sew before you do so. Because you simply dont know what you are talking about. People that start to sew for jukai are often reluctant to do so and very skeptikal about the whole process, a few weeks later they eyes open to a complete new reality.

    Here we practice following Sawaki s teachings about the robe.

    Zen is Zen. With or without the robe.


    And because I am a distant student of Dogen and Sawaki, Zen is wearing the robe, shaving my head and being caught by the still state.

    I hope this helps.


    Gassho


    Taigu
    Last edited by Taigu; 12-15-2012, 01:24 AM.
  • Yugen

    #2
    Taigu, Thank you for this teaching.

    Deep bows,
    Yugen

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    • Koshin
      Member
      • Feb 2012
      • 938

      #3
      Thank you... I learned a lot sewing my Rakusu during this Ango, it opened my eyes during some hard times last couple of months... I can´t even explain how much I enjoyed the process... yet, I know that there is so much more to learn from sewing...

      Gassho
      Thank you for your practice

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      • Mp

        #4
        This is wonderful Taigu ... I know for myself sewing the Rakusu has been a beautiful practice and hopefully one day have the opportunity to sew a Okesa.

        Thank you for this teaching.

        Gassho
        Michael

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        • Dosho
          Member
          • Jun 2008
          • 5784

          #5
          Thank you Taigu.

          Gassho,
          Dosho

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40351

            #6
            So much gratitude, T.

            Gassho, Jundo
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • RichardH
              Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 2800

              #7
              For me the robe says "This is not a day trip, this is all or nothing". Maybe that sounds extreme to some Zen sensibilities ..where there is nowhere to go, and nowhere to fall...and everything is "just ordinary". Even though that is true, at the same time, there is something at stake, and there is being swept away, and it can get bad, and this life is an opportunity. So there is also "practicing like your hair is on fire"... and there are people who know what that means. Wearing the robe represents that to me. It represents no choice. At 47 years old now, maybe that ship has already sailed . There was a lot of regret over not ordaining in my Forest sangha days... when I got married and took refuge at about the same time, and was torn. The patched robe is beautiful and true. It should not be washed away in "ordinary Zen" . Thank you Taigu.

              Gassho, kojip

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              • Myozan Kodo
                Friend of Treeleaf
                • May 2010
                • 1901

                #8
                Taigu,
                This clears the clouds and opens the sky. Thank you to you and Jundo for your teachings. They have changed so many of us.
                Gassho
                Myozan

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40351

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Myozan Kodo
                  Taigu,
                  This clears the clouds and opens the sky. Thank you to you and Jundo for your teachings. They have changed so many of us.
                  Gassho
                  Myozan
                  Oh, you are a master of understatement, Myozan!
                  Last edited by Jundo; 12-15-2012, 05:58 PM.
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                  • Jiken
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 753

                    #10
                    "People that start to sew for jukai are often reluctant to do so and very skeptikal about the whole process, a few weeks later they eyes open to a complete new reality." - Taigu

                    This was a very true statement for me. Afterwards it all felt wide open as Myozan said.

                    Gassho,

                    Daido

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                    • Nindo

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kojip
                      For me the robe says "This is not a day trip, this is all or nothing". Maybe that sounds extreme to some Zen sensibilities ..where there is nowhere to go, and nowhere to fall...and everything is "just ordinary". Even though that is true, at the same time, there is something at stake, and there is being swept away, and it can get bad, and this life is an opportunity. So there is also "practicing like your hair is on fire"... and there are people who know what that means. Wearing the robe represents that to me. It represents no choice. At 47 years old now, maybe that ship has already sailed . There was a lot of regret over not ordaining in my Forest sangha days... when I got married and took refuge at about the same time, and was torn. The patched robe is beautiful and true. It should not be washed away in "ordinary Zen" . Thank you Taigu.

                      Gassho, kojip
                      Deep bows, Kojip. No choice is exactly how I feel about it, too.

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                      • Rich
                        Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 2614

                        #12
                        I respect and revere the robe because traveling by foot and sleeping outdoors the buddha may not have survived without it and I would not be practicing the buddha way today.
                        _/_
                        Rich
                        MUHYO
                        無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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                        • Hogen
                          Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 261

                          #13
                          until I sewed the rakusu, I was a spectator.
                          Hogen
                          法眼

                          #SatToday

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                          • Shohei
                            Member
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 2854

                            #14
                            Thank you for sharing this teaching with us again and again!

                            Deep bows

                            Shohei

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                            • Dokan
                              Friend of Treeleaf
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 1222

                              #15
                              Thank you Taigu for the clarity. Thank you Myozan for the curiosity.

                              Gassho,

                              Dokan
                              We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
                              ~Anaïs Nin

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