The most important book about Zen in the West

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  • Amelia
    Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 4980

    #46
    I have read the first chapter on Google. Will continue tomorrow, I think. I am letting the questions question.
    求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
    I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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    • Kaishin
      Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 2322

      #47
      This really is a great book. Even ~1 year later I still go back to it, just picking a random chapter. Leighton is very insightful and very good at helping us understand Dogen. Consider this a "thread bump" so some newer people can check it out.
      Thanks,
      Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
      Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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      • Daijo
        Member
        • Feb 2012
        • 530

        #48
        I'll order it this week.

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        • Matt
          Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 497

          #49
          Thanks, Kaishin, for the thread bump. I am not familiar w/this book. Going to order right now. Gassho, Matt J

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          • McGettigan
            Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 40

            #50
            Thanks for the recommendation! Just picked it up for my kindle ($9.99 in the states). Look forward to reading it.

            Gassho,
            Mc.

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            • jus
              Member
              • Nov 2012
              • 77

              #51
              thanks for bumping, and thank you for the recommendation. will be picking this one up.
              gassho,
              justin

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              • arnold
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 78

                #52
                Thank you Rev. Taigu. I will add this to my growing reading list. Looking at the table of contents the chapter titled "Zazen as enactment Ritual" really piques my curiosity.

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                • ChrisA
                  Member
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 312

                  #53
                  I wanted to stop by and say thank you to Taigu for recommending this book. I'm about half-way through and I can understand why he did.

                  I wanted to share this passage from the section titled, "The Background Beyond Thinking" (p 16-7), as I found it particularly powerful:

                  The Zen master Yaoshan Weiyan was sitting very upright and still and a student asked him, "What are you thinking of, sitting there so steadfastly?" Yaoshan said, "I am thinking of not thinking," or another way of translating it is, "I am thinking of that which does not think."

                  This student was very good, and so we remember this dialogue. He said, "How do you do that? How do you think of not thinking?" Or maybe, "How is thinking of that which does not think?" Yaoshan responded using a different negative. He said, "Beyond thinking." It has also been translated as "Nonthinking."

                  This concerns foreground and background. We are used to thinking about the thoughts that are floating around in our sixth consciousness. [Note: briefly, mind consciousness, the thoughts that come and go, that arise and that we let go in Zazen.] We have been trained as human beings to have an ego; this is not only a problem in our culture, and it is not necessarily a bad thing. We need to be able to get through the day, pay the rent, take care of our lives. Buddhist practice is not about getting rid of the ego, it is about not getting caught by it and instead seeing this background that Yaoshan refers to as "beyond thinking."

                  In terms of foreground and background, we do not exactly shift from the foreground to the background; it is more a kind of access between them, a link created. The background maybe can only be expressed in the foreground, but we begin to find more access to the background, or perhaps it has more access to us. Foreground and background have many layers, but a connection with this deeper awareness becomes available. When we intellectualize about the background and make up stories about it, that only becomes more of the foreground. But this background can emerge in each fresh breath.

                  Zazen offers this actual experience of a deeper awareness. It cannot exactly be called thinking, but it is a kind of awareness, a kind of consciousness. We could call it "beyond thinking," thinking that goes beyond our usual thinking, thinking of the beyond, or thinking that is beyond any thinking that does not go beyond. It is a kind of thinking, but not thinking that cuts things up into little pieces. This awareness puts things together into wholeness and allows a deeper wholeness to emerge.

                  A guest shows up from beyond creation, or maybe from deep within creation. We do not know from where. One of the usual ways of minding mind is figuring out mind, and we have difficulty not trying to do that. But the background awareness is about just being with, and allowing something to emerge, from our belly, or from between our shoulders, of from the end of an exhalation, or from somewhere we do not know. We become open to the unknown, and we need not fear that. We start to develop a very intimate and deep relationship with something we all share but with which each of us has our own particular relationship.
                  Chris Seishi Amirault
                  (ZenPedestrian)

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                  • Rich
                    Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2614

                    #54
                    It was so great I'm going to read it again.
                    _/_
                    Rich
                    MUHYO
                    無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                    https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                    • Taigu
                      Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2710

                      #55
                      I am currently reading it again and just the first few pages are just amazing. Sorry to insist, you have to read this book snd not just once.

                      Gassho

                      Taigu

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                      • Mp

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Taigu
                        I am currently reading it again and just the first few pages are just amazing. Sorry to insist, you have to read this book snd not just once.

                        Gassho

                        Taigu
                        Same here ... actually I am seeing so much more on the second go around ... just love it.

                        Gassho
                        Shingen

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                        • KellyRok
                          Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1374

                          #57
                          I'm still making it through my first go around...but I agree, I'm truly enjoying it!

                          bows,
                          Kelly/Jinmei

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                          • Myoshin

                            #58
                            Shobogenzo-Koroku-this book, the three are on my desk
                            Zazen as inquiry is a lovely part of of the book at the beginning

                            Gassho

                            Myoshin

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                            • Neika
                              Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 230

                              #59
                              Thank you for the recommendation. Just ordered it, and will be reading it this weekend.
                              Neika / Ian Adams

                              寧 Nei - Peaceful/Courteous
                              火 Ka - Fire

                              Look for Buddha outside your own mind, and Buddha becomes the devil. --Dogen

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