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  • TomB
    Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 38

    Zazen during surgery

    I have had a pacemaker implanted for many years but I am not self reliant on it. It is there because a genetic defect sometimes during stress can cause issues with my heart that the pacemaker takes care of. I found out a few days ago during a checkup that the battery had died and since they cannot be changed I was scheduled for surgery yesterday to have the old pacemaker removed and a new one implanted. I told the surgeon that I wanted to be awake for the procedure and that I did not want any sedation. He asked if I wanted a bullet to bite down on and I said no, I would do zazen instead. So he numbed the area on my chest where he was going to make the incision and I started. Since I couldn't sit cross legged and had to lay on the operating table I had to modify it slightly. Instead of just sitting I just laid. I noticed my breathing and tried to not think. There were a couple of times when I noticed pain or discomfort but was able to let it pass and return to zazen. More than that though it wasn't a whole lot different than doing zazen on my cushion. My mind would wander to things that had nothing to do with the surgery and I would let those thoughts drift away and return to not thinking. Every now and then the surgeon would ask if I was okay and I would respond "Great". One time when he asked how I was the nurse told him that I was meditating. After about 45 minutes he stitched up the incision and said "that's it, all done" and I stopped my zazen. I was ecstatic. I was not drugged up and I didn't have to spend the night in a hospital. In fact, since I hadn't had any sedation, I was driving myself home an hour later.
    I hope this doesn't sound like bragging because that's not why I'm relating this story. I just wanted to tell someone what zazen did for me and most of my family and friends wouldn't understand so thank you all for letting me tell it to you.

    Gassho,

    Tom
  • Koshin
    Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 938

    #2
    Wonderful I wonder if the doctor struck together two scalpels as an inkin bell .... I don't think I would have so much courage to ask something like that, but this is proof that everything (or almost everything) it's in the mind.

    Thank you for sharing

    Gassho
    Thank you for your practice

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    • Ekai
      Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 672

      #3
      Wow, that's great! I admire you for your courage and dedication.

      Thanks for sharing.

      Gassho,
      Ekai

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      • Mp

        #4
        Wow ... nice work Tom. As Ekai said, that takes a lot of courage.

        Gassho,
        Michael

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        • Kaishin
          Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 2322

          #5
          Holy crap! You're a braver man than I!

          Thanks,
          Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
          Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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          • Shohei
            Member
            • Oct 2007
            • 2854

            #6
            Amazing Tom. Thank you for sharing and well, being here!
            I have to admit I would not need the sedation either, once I saw the knife id be out cold ;D

            Deep bows and take good care!

            Shohei

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40188

              #7
              Wonderful story! I have "reclined" Zazen during a few minor medical and dental procedures, but nothing quite like that.

              The power of the mind!

              In Japan, by the way, there is a culturally different view of pain. The doctors use no, or significantly weaker, anesthesia during many procedures. The Japanese tend to just bite the bullet, but part of it is simply psychological I believe and a culture that values not complaining and a stiff upper lip. If you anticipate pain, you are more likely to feel it. Somehow our ancestors got through life without it until the 19th century ... although anesthesia really made complex surgery possible for the first time while diminishing the risk of shock.

              Wonderful! I will sit this week for your continued mending.

              Gassho, J
              Last edited by Jundo; 07-13-2012, 03:42 PM.
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40188

                #8
                There is actually some medical research related to this ...

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                Zen meditation appears to reduce sensitivity to moderate pain when practiced by well-trained individuals, Canadian researchers report.

                "Previous studies had already shown that teaching patients with chronic pain to meditate seemed to help them, but no one had examined how these effects might come about," said study author Joshua A. Grant, a researcher in the department of physiology at the University of Montreal. "We reasoned that the best approach would be to study healthy people with a lot of meditation training already under their belts, because effects would presumably be strongest in them."

                "The first finding then is that the meditators are much less sensitive to heat pain," noted Grant. "We [also] found that this pain reduction in meditators was related to how many lifetime hours of practice they had accumulated, with more pain reduction in the more senior practitioners."

                Throughout the experiments, the researchers also found that meditators seem to breath much more slowly than non-meditators -- providing some of the first hard proof that the cardio-respiratory system could be the underlying mechanism by which meditation promotes pain control.

                Grant and his University of Montreal co-author, Dr. Pierre Rainville, report the findings in the January issue of Psychosomatic Medicine.

                Grant and Rainville's study focused on the effects of Zen meditation.

                Thirteen Zen meditators, all of whom had already logged more than 1,000 hours of practice with the technique, were enrolled in the study. Between the spring and winter of 2006 the authors compared the practitioners' reactions to moderate pain to that of 13 men and women of similar age with no meditation or yoga background.

                Using high-tech thermal probes, the researchers exposed the left calf area of each participant to a series of painful and non-painful heated "stimulations" ranging from 37º C (neutral) to 43º C (warm and non-painful) to a maximum of 53º C (hot and moderately painful).

                During each session, participants were either instructed to keep their eyes closed and not fall asleep; to shut their eyes and focus their attention on the left leg stimulation; or to close their eyes, focus on the left leg, and try not to judge the stimulation but instead merely observe the sensation moment-to-moment.

                Based on self-reported pain levels, Grant and Rainville found that the last concentration exercise ... helped the meditators experience less pain, but had no impact on non-meditators.

                Non-meditators were also not helped when they were told to focus on the leg stimulation. In fact, both the intensity of their pain and pain "unpleasantness" went up by 15 percent and 21 percent, respectively. In contrast, meditators given the same instruction experienced no increase on either score.

                "I think this study gives credibility to the stories often heard about certain individuals sitting through painful medical or dental procedures, for example, without anesthetic, relying on hypnosis or highly focused concentration to get them through the pain," Grant said. "I'm not suggesting that if you practice Zen meditation you will never need a painkiller. But slowly, through studies like this and those on hypnosis, we're understanding that we have perhaps a lot more control over aspects of our experience than we previously believed. Having this attitude of optimism is important, both to cultivate one's own potential and to generate interest and support in understanding it scientifically."

                Dr. Herbert Benson, director emeritus of the Benson-Henry Institute for Mind-Body Medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital, described the study as "tremendously important" and as "another brick in the foundation" supporting mind-body approaches to pain control.

                "Stress is responsible for upwards of 60 to 90 percent of visits to doctors," said Benson, who is also associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. "So, to point to meditation as a means to evoke a relaxation response that could enable the mind to control pain isn't that far of a leap."

                He noted that prior studies have suggested that various meditative techniques help release pain-relieving endorphins. "So this study is a nice addition to already existing literature," Benson said. "And it suggests that what we have here is a relatively effective inexpensive approach that could help treat conditions that are being poorly treated by drugs and surgeries."

                stimuli to elicit moderate pain on the calf. Conditions included: a) baseline-1: no task; b) concentration: attend exclusively to the calf; c) mindfulness: attend to the calf and observe, moment to moment, in a nonjudgmental manner; and d) baseline-2: no task. Results: Meditators required significantly higher temperatures to elicit moderate pain (meditators: 49.9°C; controls: 48.2°C; p = .01). While attending “mindfully,” meditators reported decreases in pain intensity whereas control subjects showed no change from baseline. The concentration condition resulted in increased pain intensity for controls but not for meditators. Changes in pain unpleasantness generally paralleled those found in pain intensity. In meditators, pain modulation correlated with slowing of the respiratory rate and with greater meditation experience. Covariance analyses indicated that mindfulness-related changes could be partially explained by changes in respiratory rates. Finally, the meditators reported higher tendencies to observe and be nonreactive of their own experience as measured on the Five Factor Mindfulness Questionnaire; these factors correlated with individual differences in respiration. Conclusions: These results indicated that Zen meditators have lower pain sensitivity and experience analgesic effects during mindful states. Results may reflect cognitive/self-regulatory skills related to the concept of mindfulness and/or altered respiratory patterns. Prospective studies investigating the effects of meditative training and respiration on pain regulation are warranted. ECG = electrocardiogram; HF = high frequency; HRV = heart rate variability; LF = low frequency; LF/HF = low/high frequency ratio; FFMQ = Five Factor Mindfulness Questionnaire; MBSR = Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction; VAS = Visual Analogue Scale....
                Last edited by Jundo; 07-13-2012, 03:45 PM.
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                • Dokan
                  Friend of Treeleaf
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 1222

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Shohei
                  I have to admit I would not need the sedation either, once I saw the knife id be out cold ;D
                  I literally LOL'd...

                  I couldn't do it...I am perfectly aware that I'm a weak and feeble man with no self mastery nor tolerance for pain. I've come to terms with it and have grown to actually be proud of it. In fact, just yesterday I was complaining to my wife how my tooth hurt because of clogged sinuses. This was closely followed by heavy dosages of ibuprofen and allergy meds.

                  I've read about such feats with child birth...but again, I think I'd ask for a epidural and morphine drip as soon as I found out I was pregnant...even as the father.

                  Gassho,

                  Dokan
                  Last edited by Dokan; 07-13-2012, 03:22 PM.
                  We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
                  ~Anaïs Nin

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                  • Dosho
                    Member
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 5784

                    #10
                    Quite an amazing story...maybe I should keep doing zazen! Take two rounds of zazen and you needn't call me in the morning.

                    Gassho,
                    Dosho

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                    • BrianW
                      Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 511

                      #11
                      TomB...what an inspiring story! Thanks for sharing and thanks for Jundo on the research references! I'm a sissy and always go for "Rx pain management", but this does highlight how I may have more control than what I think.

                      Gassho,
                      Jisnen/BrianW

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                      • Kyonin
                        Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 6745

                        #12
                        Tom,

                        You, sir, have all my admiration and respect. Hope you recover completely in no time.

                        All metta for you.

                        Gassho,

                        Kyonin
                        Hondō Kyōnin
                        奔道 協忍

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                        • Ekai
                          Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 672

                          #13
                          LOL! Everyone's comments are really making me laugh today!!

                          Gassho,
                          Ekai

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                          • Jiken
                            Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 753

                            #14
                            Im with Dokan. I take the pain meds times two and bow to the guy with invented them.

                            Daido

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                            • BobSpour
                              Member
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 59

                              #15
                              Interesting thread and well done...

                              I have a particular interest in this subject as I am involved in NLP and Ericksonian Hypnotherapy on a professional level. It's something I got into because of my involvement in the martial arts and my desire to help people manage their mental states. I do it through zazen myself but found that many students were not prepared to put the time in and needed a 'quick fix' I have used self hypnosis to 'distract' me whilst I had fillings and have trained a couple of individuals who used NLP during surgical operations. It always amazes me just how powerful and easy it is for us to change our perceptions. Something I found out early on in my zazen practice back in the 70's.
                              Note the use of the word distract. That's all it is really and as buddhists we strive to notice these states and let them go. But not be distracted! Or is that not, not noticing distraction? Aaaaargh! I have noticed that most people I meet are in some state of hypnosis or other and the toughest thing is to get them out of it...That for me is what Zazen is about.

                              Thanks for the distraction Lol!
                              Gassho
                              Bob

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