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  • Dokan
    Friend of Treeleaf
    • Dec 2010
    • 1222

    I Don't Know

    When "I don't know" drops "I want to know" liberation blossoms effortlessly.

    With gratitude,

    Dokan
    We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
    ~Anaïs Nin
  • Mp

    #2
    Originally posted by Dokan
    When "I don't know" drops "I want to know" liberation blossoms effortlessly.

    With gratitude,

    Dokan
    Very nice Dokan ... thank you.

    Gassho,
    Michael

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    • Dosho
      Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 5784

      #3
      Dokan,

      Interesting, but I would have switched that for myself. When I drop "I want to know" then "I don't know" offers liberation.

      Weird, this zen.

      Gassho,
      Dosho

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      • Dokan
        Friend of Treeleaf
        • Dec 2010
        • 1222

        #4
        Originally posted by Dosho
        When I drop "I want to know" then "I don't know" offers liberation.
        Also true! Thank you Dosho.
        We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
        ~Anaïs Nin

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        • Kaishin
          Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 2322

          #5
          I want to know.
          I don't know.
          Don't know.
          Not knowing.
          Thanks,
          Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
          Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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          • Kyonin
            Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
            • Oct 2010
            • 6742

            #6
            Thank you, Dokan.

            Gassho,

            Kyonin.
            Hondō Kyōnin
            奔道 協忍

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            • disastermouse

              #7
              I don't know if I know, y'know?

              Chet

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              • Yugen

                #8
                Then what do ya know?

                There's a koan "Not Knowing is the Most Intimate" in the Shinji Shobogenzo - there is a relationship between "knowing" and "not knowing" that is dynamic, as Dokan and Dosho have both pointed out. I, like Dosho, do well to be in a place of "not knowing" - it keeps me open to the fact that my life is right now, rather than wanting it to be some other way..... but wait..... that is the "knowing" that comes with liberation!

                The koan reminds me that being stuck in "not knowing" prevents me from moving beyond and being open to the present - which is a form of "knowing"- direct experience - perhaps there is a dynamic cycle of "not knowing" and "knowing," like that of vow and repentance.... attachment and liberation? "Knowing" in this case is transient.... moment to moment...... just as reality is composed of delusion and enlightenment....

                Gassho
                Yugen
                Last edited by Guest; 07-10-2012, 05:27 PM.

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                • Rich
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2602

                  #9
                  Don’t know is just sitting.
                  _/_
                  Rich
                  MUHYO
                  無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                  https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                  • Marek
                    Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 161

                    #10
                    I don' t know what you all talking about...

                    Gassho,
                    Marek

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                    • RichardH
                      Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 2800

                      #11
                      Standard practice in every Kwan Um school sitting was.. "Only Don't Know!".... and a slap on the floor. Sometimes just a slap on the floor.. and once a slap on the floor and "the red floor is red!"

                      Gassho. kojip

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                      • Myozan Kodo
                        Friend of Treeleaf
                        • May 2010
                        • 1901

                        #12
                        I don't know either. But if someone does know, don't tell me.

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                        • Risho
                          Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 3179

                          #13
                          ha, this great! Even though we don't know, we should want to know, but not be attached to wanting to know; it's wanting to know that makes us human. If we just say don't know, ok no big deal, we could fall into complacency. But isn't true not knowing, still wandering the path of wanting to know all the while accepting what you don't know? If I drank, now would be the time for me to have a few. hahahah
                          Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                          • RichardH
                            Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 2800

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Risho
                            ha, this great! Even though we don't know, we should want to know, but not be attached to wanting to know; it's wanting to know that makes us human. If we just say don't know, ok no big deal, we could fall into complacency. But isn't true not knowing, still wandering the path of wanting to know all the while accepting what you don't know? If I drank, now would be the time for me to have a few. hahahah
                            First questions and answers have absolute value and are tied to the gut, so they are dukkha. Then all questions and answers are resolved at their root in "don't know"... non-dukkha. Then questions and answers return, but are not longer an absolute value, no longer tied to the gut, and are not dukkha.

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                            • Rich
                              Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 2602

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Myozan Kodo
                              I don't know either. But if someone does know, don't tell me.
                              Ok, so I'll just do it.
                              _/_
                              Rich
                              MUHYO
                              無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                              https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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