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  • Myozan Kodo
    Friend of Treeleaf
    • May 2010
    • 1901

    Taigu's Bulls

    Two bulls drinking at a stream.
    One a reflection of the other.
    But which one?
  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    #2
    Re: Taigu's Bulls

    Myozan's bulls:

    Two bulls drinking
    could they both be reflections
    of the very stream?

    No drinking, no bull
    not even a stream
    where are you then?

    :wink:

    T.

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 39276

      #3
      Re: Taigu's Bulls

      Sounds like a bunch of bull to me. :wink:
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Gregor
        Member
        • Apr 2007
        • 638

        #4
        Re: Taigu's Bulls

        A Zen Priest poetry slam ... This is a first.
        Jukai '09 Dharma Name: Shinko 慎重(Prudent Calm)

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        • Taigu
          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
          • Aug 2008
          • 2710

          #5
          Re: Taigu's Bulls

          An old tradition, Gregor...conversing in poems has always been a way to bypass the limitations of the dualistic mind, a way to dance, just leaving birds feet prints in the snow. Nothing much. Actually bullshit. . i also call it junk on my blog. But much better that the would be this and that, i think this and it wouldnt be better like that that you find eveywhere.

          There is something I cannot teach.

          The way of birds, waters, rain and stuff.


          Feel welcome.

          Gassho


          T.

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          • alan.r
            Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 546

            #6
            Re: Taigu's Bulls

            These are wonderful. Thank you Myozan and Taigu. Here is a little addition.


            No bulls, no stream, no reflections.
            Where am I?
            Beside the steady breathing
            Of my wife’s sleep.



            Gassho,
            alan
            Shōmon

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            • Graceleejenkins
              Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 434

              #7
              Re: Taigu's Bulls

              Originally posted by alan.r
              These are wonderful. Thank you Myozan and Taigu. Here is a little addition.


              No bulls, no stream, no reflections.
              Where am I?
              Beside the steady breathing
              Of my wife’s sleep.



              Gassho,
              alan
              Alan, you might enjoy the Haiku Chain thread. Gassho, Grace.
              Sat today and 10 more in honor of Treeleaf's 10th Anniversary!

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              • Myozan Kodo
                Friend of Treeleaf
                • May 2010
                • 1901

                #8
                Re: Taigu's Bulls

                Great responses!

                The bull enters the stream:
                They are one!
                Tokudo in a room or online:
                Different permutations, same sum.

                Time this monk versifying quit.
                My great awakening?
                That I'm full of shit.


                :wink:

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                • Kyonin
                  Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 6739

                  #9
                  Re: Taigu's Bulls

                  Beautiful, beautiful thread.

                  I will sit on that.

                  Thank you.
                  Hondō Kyōnin
                  奔道 協忍

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                  • Shokai
                    Treeleaf Priest
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 6391

                    #10
                    Re: Taigu's Bulls

                    Choco;

                    May be a language thing but, don't sit on it; sit with it :lol:

                    And Myozan; not full, just down a quart. :lol:
                    合掌,生開
                    gassho, Shokai

                    仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

                    "Open to life in a benevolent way"

                    https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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                    • disastermouse

                      #11
                      Re: Taigu's Bulls

                      I was never able to talk about bulls and streams. Even coming from the country, bulls were not a regular part of my life. Neither are lotus blossoms or chopsticks or mystic mountains.

                      I think it all started simple with teachers referencing what was at hand. We could be talking about one's hand on a PS3 controller or motorcycle handlebars. We could talk about vodka mixing with water...

                      Not as poetic, but with a lot less embellishment or reversions to old forms that can make what is really quite mundane seem 'special' in an artificial way.

                      What is more direct and immediate than reality? Why not use what is most direct and immediate to illustrate it?

                      My half a nickel,

                      Chet

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                      • alan.r
                        Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 546

                        #12
                        Re: Taigu's Bulls

                        Originally posted by disastermouse
                        I was never able to talk about bulls and streams. Even coming from the country, bulls were not a regular part of my life. Neither are lotus blossoms or chopsticks or mystic mountains.

                        I think it all started simple with teachers referencing what was at hand. We could be talking about one's hand on a PS3 controller or motorcycle handlebars. We could talk about vodka mixing with water...

                        Not as poetic, but with a lot less embellishment or reversions to old forms that can make what is really quite mundane seem 'special' in an artificial way.

                        What is more direct and immediate than reality? Why not use what is most direct and immediate to illustrate it?

                        My half a nickel,

                        Chet
                        In the morning sun
                        empty bottles on the windowsill.
                        My hair still smells like smoke.

                        *

                        The dog running in his sleep,
                        a dusty controller not touched in years.
                        Another spring day.



                        Here are the things that go in poem, here are the things that don't? Here are the things that are real, here are the things that aren't?

                        A poem is its own reality; it just also happens to point.
                        Shōmon

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                        • Taigu
                          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2710

                          #13
                          Re: Taigu's Bulls

                          Quite true Chet and yet the bull here has a good old significance as well...I often use modern words in my f..... .. poetry. Which I have boiled down to the simpliest form. Used to write novels, essays, philosophy, very long forms.
                          But your suggestion is good and welcome.

                          gassho


                          Taigu

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                          • disastermouse

                            #14
                            Re: Taigu's Bulls

                            Originally posted by Taigu
                            Quite true Chet and yet the bull here has a good old significance as well...I often use modern words in my f..... .. poetry. Which I have boiled down to the simpliest form. Used to write novels, essays, philosophy, very long forms.
                            But your suggestion is good and welcome.

                            gassho


                            Taigu
                            We're you referencing the Ox Herder?

                            Chet

                            (I think I need to work on making my comments sound less critical. Often times I make it sound like my preference is 'the way'. I have no problem understanding the old poems and stories about lotuses and other common things of the time and I understand the stylistic choice. I'll try to make an attempt to reflect that it's preference.)

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                            • Taigu
                              Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 2710

                              #15
                              Re: Taigu's Bulls

                              Indeed, Chet and some other stuff. First, Myozan's poem is inspired by my quote of an old Koan describing two bulls entering a river and vanishing, obviously a vivid description of how the pair of opposites cannot but collapse into each other. Second, the sound of awakening is often described as being like the spontaneous, gut-like, sound of a cow, or a bull. Because the bull, wild ox, water buffalo or cow represent the original nature, raw and empty. Third, the famous Koan of the Gateless gate comes to mind, case 38 of a great cow or bull passing through a window and the tail not making it...

                              gassho

                              Taigu

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