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  • Taigu
    Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
    • Aug 2008
    • 2710

    Nothing wrong with thoughts

    Let' s dispell a very common stereotype in the Buddhist world: thoughts are bad. Poisonous.

    Well, nothing wrong with thoughts. the problem comes from belief and identification. We all have thoughts and it is Ok... as long as thoughts don't have us.

    Trungpa used to say : first thought, best thought" and if some people might think he was celebrating the power of intuition over discrimination, the charm of mental happening, I am convinced he was after something very different here: first thought arising from the field of being is Ok as long as it is not feeding another thought and yet another which we all happily do getting lost in the process ( is it familiar ? :P ). Thoughts arise and collapse into the mind-seal-sea. This is the way.

    Being an ex scholar, my background was lecturing about literature and philosophy in University, I am not against words and thoughts. Just very cautious not to get to a point where fiction is mistaken for reality. As I grew, I moved from expanded forms like novels, plays, essays to shorter and shorter forms in writing, haiku and tanka, fragments. I now write not to leave a legacy or a body of works, not to get known, but just to remain present, here and now, in this.

    I revere old fools like Santoka, Ryokan or Sawaki , ordinary blokes dressed in rags and not interested the slightest in power trips and institutions. Not seduced by thoughts of fame or truth, not distracted by so called insights: always at it cutting, cutting what is extra.

    Reading sutra, poems, Dogen, ancestors and the likes, all this is part and parcel of our practice.
    Coming back to the simplicity of being is the very essence of our practice.
    Gob shut is our origin and end.

    I like to shut up.

    gassho


    a far too chatty Taigu
  • Dokan
    Friend of Treeleaf
    • Dec 2010
    • 1222

    #2
    Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

    Originally posted by Taigu
    Gob shut is our origin and end.
    That's a jewel...ty.

    Gassho,

    Dokan
    We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are.
    ~Anaïs Nin

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    • Eika
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 806

      #3
      Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

      Thanks, Taigu

      _/_

      Eika
      [size=150:m8cet5u6]??[/size:m8cet5u6] We are involved in a life that passes understanding and our highest business is our daily life---John Cage

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      • will
        Member
        • Jun 2007
        • 2331

        #4
        Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

        This is what one of my teacher told me previously. You may have a thought like "We are out of milk, gotta get some.", but lose the running on like "why am I the one who has to get milk, why didn' t someone else get milk? I'm always getting milk" etc. I think part of our practice is knowing which thoughts are progressive, good, helpful, and mindful, and which are not.

        ie. "They suck" is not very helpful. I have to do the laundry, maybe better. If we never thought, then we wouldn't be able to do anything. How could Dogen build all those temples if he didn't think about it? How could we organize ourselves at all? It's being convinced by the thoughts, yeah. I think Zazen helps a bit with that, and just general study and experience. May you be happy.

        Gassho

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        To save all sentient beings, though beings are numberless.
        To penetrate reality, though reality is boundless.
        To transform all delusion, though delusions are immeasurable.
        To attain the enlightened way, a way non-attainable.
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        • Seiryu
          Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 620

          #5
          Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

          Very true Taigu!
          Humbly,
          清竜 Seiryu

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          • AlanLa
            Member
            • Mar 2008
            • 1405

            #6
            Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

            Hmm, I'll have to think about this :wink:
            AL (Jigen) in:
            Faith/Trust
            Courage/Love
            Awareness/Action!

            I sat today

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            • Yugen

              #7
              Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

              To attempt to say or demonstrate anything right now would be to miss the mark.

              A deep bow of gratitude for a teaching which I really needed today.

              Thank you.

              Yugen

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              • ghop
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 438

                #8
                Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                Originally posted by Taigu
                Coming back to the simplicity of being is the very essence of our practice.
                Thank you, Taigu. Gassho. Gassho. Gassho.

                It all comes back to the saying, "Everyday mind is Buddha Mind."

                How to deal with a stormy mind? Go beyond it.

                gassho
                Greg

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                • pinoybuddhist
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 462

                  #9
                  Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                  _/|_
                  Rafael

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                  • Jiken
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 753

                    #10
                    Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                    Thanks Taigu

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                    • Omoi Otoshi
                      Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 801

                      #11
                      Nothing wrong with thoughts

                      Thank you,
                      Pontus
                      In a spring outside time, flowers bloom on a withered tree;
                      you ride a jade elephant backwards, chasing the winged dragon-deer;
                      now as you hide far beyond innumerable peaks--
                      the white moon, a cool breeze, the dawn of a fortunate day

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                      • Rich
                        Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 2614

                        #12
                        Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                        My brother collected and played record albums all his life. I inherited his collection which actually included some of my old 'abandoned' albums. Some of them are worn and repeat over and over but with a little nudge continue on their way. I'm grateful to have them and all my thoughts and feelings, even the neurotic types which repeat over and over but with a little nudge continue on their way.
                        _/_
                        Rich
                        MUHYO
                        無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

                        https://instagram.com/notmovingmind

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                        • Risho
                          Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 3178

                          #13
                          Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                          Gassho,

                          Risho
                          Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                          • Nenka
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 1239

                            #14
                            Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                            Good one.

                            Originally posted by Rich
                            My brother collected and played record albums all his life. I inherited his collection which actually included some of my old 'abandoned' albums. Some of them are worn and repeat over and over but with a little nudge continue on their way. I'm grateful to have them and all my thoughts and feelings, even the neurotic types which repeat over and over but with a little nudge continue on their way.
                            Good one too.

                            Gassho

                            Jen

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                            • Amelia
                              Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 4985

                              #15
                              Re: Nothing wrong with thoughts

                              I read something about naturalness-- that it came down to "do or not do." You have a thought and you choose whether it is wiser to act on it or not. If you act on it, do so. If not, drop it. It is akin to Krishnamurti's philosophy of being aware of actions, events, and thoughts as they happen, and dealing with them in that moment-- not carrying them around.

                              This is something that I am afraid to do. I depend on lists and planning so much that I fear my brain is going numb from always having a reference.

                              I guess the first step is admitting I have a problem, no? ops:
                              求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
                              I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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