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  • Myoshin
    • Jun 2024

    Who I am? And so who loves?

    Hi everybody,
    The question about who I am is difficult to understand, I know about emptyness, and so on, but what would be the answer of that kind of koan?
    Moreover, I was thinking about someone, and my second question is who loves if I am empty? Do I have to understant that love doesn't exist or is another kind of illusion?
    Thank you for your answers about the simples buts difficults basics questions

    Gassho to all

    Yang Hsin
  • Risho
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 3179

    #2
    Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

    Originally posted by yang hsin
    Hi everybody,
    The question about who I am is difficult to understand, I know about emptyness, and so on, but what would be the answer of that kind of koan?
    Moreover, I was thinking about someone, and my second question is who loves if I am empty? Do I have to understant that love doesn't exist or is another kind of illusion?
    Thank you for your answers about the simples buts difficults basics questions

    Gassho to all

    Yang Hsin
    Who are you? Who would know that better than you? I can't give you an answer. I think you will have find that out for yourself. Hell I don't know who I am

    What do you mean when you say empty? Empty doesn't mean that we don't exist, or that a table doesn't exist or love is not real, etc. I mean if you think a table doesn't exist then try to run right through it. If you don't think that love exists, tell me if you've had a broken heart. Empty means that things are empty of a self-existence, completely independent from everything else. That's not how it is. Things exist in relationship with everything else. They are all linked.. but they are also separate. These are just words, these are things that I need to realize and you need to realize yourself. The only way to do that is to practice.

    Gassho,

    Risho
    Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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    • Nindo

      #3
      Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

      I am empty
      I am all things
      I love
      all things love
      everything loves everything
      I breathe the love of the universe
      in
      and
      out

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      • Kaishin
        Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 2322

        #4
        Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

        Will an answer change your love?
        Thanks,
        Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
        Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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        • Omoi Otoshi
          Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 801

          #5
          Who I am? And so who loves?

          Originally posted by yang hsin
          Hi everybody,
          The question about who I am is difficult to understand, I know about emptyness, and so on, but what would be the answer of that kind of koan?
          Moreover, I was thinking about someone, and my second question is who loves if I am empty? Do I have to understant that love doesn't exist or is another kind of illusion?
          Thank you for your answers about the simples buts difficults basics questions

          Gassho to all

          Yang Hsin
          NO!

          Love exists! You exist!
          Don't get stuck in an idea of emptiness!
          I really, really dislike the word emptiness... It so easily leads to nihilism. You are just not a permanent, unchanging, separate entity. Everything is interconnected, whole, interdependant, co-arising, changing, experienced in every moment.
          Intellectualization about Sunyata will only lead to wrong views.
          In my view, there is no answer, only understanding of reality.

          /Pontus
          In a spring outside time, flowers bloom on a withered tree;
          you ride a jade elephant backwards, chasing the winged dragon-deer;
          now as you hide far beyond innumerable peaks--
          the white moon, a cool breeze, the dawn of a fortunate day

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          • Jinyo
            Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1957

            #6
            Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

            Well said Pontus!

            Yang Hsin - I recommend reading 'The Heart of Understanding' by Thich Nhat Hanh.

            I feel he brings great clarity to this question.

            Gassho

            Willow

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            • Jiken
              Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 753

              #7
              Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

              Kannon loves if you are empty or if you are not. Have you seen Kannon?

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 39211

                #8
                Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                Well, as a married "Zen Monk" celebrating his 20th wedding anniversary this year, this is the Koan for me too! A good one for Valentine's Day.

                Yes, "you" and "your beloved" and all things of life are (from the "Great Non-Perspective") but projections of the mind, not truly there, ... shadow puppets, not actual separate beings, kind of a dream. Basic Buddhism 101.

                Now, that being said ... live your life, dream one's dream, love your love! 8)

                In Buddhism, we live free of passions, emotional extremes, harmful emotions-thoughts-words-actions, not bound by attachments.

                So, live and love passionately ... yet not as a prisoner of passions. Love deeply, but without falling into sick extremes. Embrace one's lover in one's arms ... but do not cling. Avoid anger, speak to each other gently. Savor each day together ... but be always ready and willing to see it end (for all things are impermanent, even timeless loves) :cry:

                Not so easy sometimes ... but that's why they call it "Practice!" :wink:

                And be tolerant and see beyond the imperfections of one's beloved ... the things that "drive you crazy" (Frankly, this is something my wife is expert with in dealing with me, more than the other way around! :roll: )

                Yes, love is just a dream. Sometimes a painful dream. But, what a wonderful dream!

                Happy Valentine's Day!

                Gassho, J
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Omoi Otoshi
                  Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 801

                  #9
                  Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                  There's an old saying from an island on the west coast of Sweden,

                  The farmer said to the bull,
                  Get married and you won't be so insolent anymore! :lol:
                  In a spring outside time, flowers bloom on a withered tree;
                  you ride a jade elephant backwards, chasing the winged dragon-deer;
                  now as you hide far beyond innumerable peaks--
                  the white moon, a cool breeze, the dawn of a fortunate day

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                  • Kyonin
                    Treeleaf Priest / Engineer
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 6739

                    #10
                    Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                    Originally posted by Nindo
                    I am empty
                    I am all things
                    I love
                    all things love
                    everything loves everything
                    I breathe the love of the universe
                    in
                    and
                    out
                    Deep bows. I shall sit with this.
                    Hondō Kyōnin
                    奔道 協忍

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                    • Taigu
                      Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2710

                      #11
                      Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                      As you love, love.

                      as simple as that


                      gassho


                      T.

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                      • Jinyu
                        Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 768

                        #12
                        Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                        Originally posted by Taigu
                        As you love, love.
                        Priceless... :!:

                        Originally posted by willow
                        Yang Hsin - I recommend reading 'The Heart of Understanding' by Thich Nhat Hanh.
                        QianXin, I have a French version of it at home! If you want, I can give it to you when you come to sit ...

                        Have a nice day everyone!

                        deep deep gassho,
                        Jinyu
                        Jinyu aka Luis aka Silly guy from Brussels

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                        • Shokai
                          Treeleaf Priest
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 6391

                          #13
                          Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                          And I thought it was MasterCharge that was priceless !! :lol:
                          合掌,生開
                          gassho, Shokai

                          仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

                          "Open to life in a benevolent way"

                          https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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                          • ghop
                            Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 438

                            #14
                            Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                            Emptiness is fullness.

                            Being empty, can you point your finger away from your self?

                            occasional clouds
                            one gets a rest
                            from moon-viewing
                            ---Bassho


                            gassho
                            Greg

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                            • Myoku
                              Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 1487

                              #15
                              Re: Who I am? And so who loves?

                              "Who am I" is a question I carry around for maybe a year or two. The funny thing is maybe, that over time the question became a fact, indeed, who am i! I think I will carry it for much longer, its a good question to ask.
                              And love does exist, the pure, true love is compassion, its always there, just sometimes covered in a busy mind.
                              _()_
                              Myoku

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