Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39474

    Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

    This past weekend (Nov. 6-7, 2010) there was a conference hosted by the San Francisco Zen Center to celebrate the release of a new translation of Dogen’s Shobogenzo by Kaz Tanahashi. This link will take you to livestream which hosts videos of the conference (thank you, Clyde):

    http://www.livestream.com/sfzc

    I particularly want to recommend this set of talks by people who "translate" Dogen (translate, in the meaning of "put into practice" and "make heard"), including a VERY nice talk by Brother Brad in the middle, and a beautiful talk by a Zen Teacher and medical physician (oncologist) from Germany, and lovely talks by Gaelyn Godwin of Houston Zen Center and Hogen and Chozen Bays, and more ...

    http://www.livestream.com/sfzc/video?cl ... m=ui-thumb

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Jinyu
    Member
    • May 2009
    • 768

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    Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

    Thank you for sharing Jundo! :wink:
    Brad's Dogen for punks is quite funny :lol:

    gassho,
    Jinyu
    Jinyu aka Luis aka Silly guy from Brussels

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    • Seishin the Elder
      Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 521

      #3
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      Thanks for this opportunity Jundo.

      "Let the punks have their Dogen"...a cry I think we have not heard the last of.

      Gassho,

      Seishin Kyrill

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      • BrianW
        Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 511

        #4
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        Jundo,

        Thanks for posting.....made for an enjoyable program to watch last Saturday night. Loved the musical performance, in fact downloaded an album by Masayuki Koga. Fascinating to get the different perspectives on Dogen's work.

        Gassho,
        Jisen/BrianW

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        • Taigu
          Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
          • Aug 2008
          • 2710

          #5
          Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

          Fabulous translation. I so much enjoy its musical quality. Mike Cross's work is so documented, precise, meticulous, crystal clear. This one is just flowing water, it goes with the poetic rhythm of Dogen's original work. As I said it many times, one should read both.

          gassho


          Taigu

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          • Myoku
            Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 1487

            #6
            Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

            Thank you, cool people talking
            _()_
            Peter

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            • Onshin
              Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 462

              #7
              Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

              Hi Jundo,
              I had an email this week from Wisdom Books. Is this the translation you mean?


              http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=22250

              :mrgreen: It would certainly grace any bookshelf, but would Dogen approve of such a posh edition, I will probably have to wait for the paperback Although I am still getting through the Nishijima and Cross (only ten years).

              Gassho

              Joe
              "This traceless enlightenment continues endlessly" (Dogen Zenji)

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 39474

                #8
                Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

                Originally posted by JoeTurner
                Hi Jundo,
                I had an email this week from Wisdom Books. Is this the translation you mean?


                http://www.wisdom-books.com/ProductDetail.asp?PID=22250

                :mrgreen: It would certainly grace any bookshelf, but would Dogen approve of such a posh edition, I will probably have to wait for the paperback Although I am still getting through the Nishijima and Cross (only ten years).

                Gassho

                Joe
                Yes, that is the one. Tanahashi Sensei put about 50 years of effort into it. Given the size of the Dogen market, I doubt he is in it for the money. 8) Here is a news article profiling him, well worth reading ... a True Master in so many ways ...

                I am saving up my pennies now to get it.



                Gassho, J
                Last edited by Jundo; 01-19-2013, 05:48 AM.
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Taigu
                  Blue Mountain White Clouds Hermitage Priest
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2710

                  #9
                  Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

                  I cannot help thinking like Jundo ( because I have an experience as a writer and I also have a very good idea of what it means to spend 50 years doing this work...). Yes,this is priceless. So is Mike Cross's work. And, most of the time, these guys are taken for granted. Most of us have no idea of what it takes to translate a sigle line of Dogen ( have you tried?!!!) let alone the whole Shobogenzo.

                  I am speechless in front of such dedication and fuse.

                  150 dollars a copy?

                  That's a real bargain!

                  gassho

                  Taigu

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                  • chicanobudista
                    Member
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 864

                    #10
                    Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

                    Originally posted by Taigu
                    Most of us have no idea of what it takes to translate a sigle line of Dogen ( have you tried?!!!) let alone the whole Shobogenzo.

                    I have. I have. But. Usually my knees hurt after 30 minutes.
                    paz,
                    Erik


                    Flor de Nopal Sangha

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                    • chicanobudista
                      Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 864

                      #11
                      Re: Dogen: Lost and Found in Translation

                      Originally posted by Taigu
                      I am speechless in front of such dedication and fuse.

                      150 dollars a copy?

                      That's a real bargain!
                      I have done translation work from English and Spanish. And. Just five pages drive me crazy as I try to unwind the many springs that come uncoiled once you open one word.
                      paz,
                      Erik


                      Flor de Nopal Sangha

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