Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

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  • roky
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 311

    Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

    Hoping this post will catch the eye of all who use the hall for sitting, so we don't miss anyone who may not have been following the "sitting hall" thread.

    please consider both candidates, and then post here for your favorite, during this week -- then perhaps shohei can tally and make the final announcement of which hall will be our primary by weeks end

    gassho, roky
    "no resistance"
    thaddeus golas
  • Engyo
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 356

    #2
    Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

    oovoo; with mebeam as backup.
    Gassho,
    Don

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    • Janne H
      Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 73

      #3
      Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

      Same here, oovoo, with mebeam as backup.

      Had a testrun with the oovoo in the zen hall, the picture was flickering when scrolling the browser, but working very well. Also maybe change the background to black, liked the original oovoo link.

      gassho, Janne

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      • Dosho
        Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 5784

        #4
        Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

        Hi all,

        I have been following the sitting hall thread as much as I can, but I must confess that the advantages and disadvantages of each one elude me. Can someone with a more technical brain explain what we'd be voting for/against? I will also try each for myself, although when I tried mebeam today it just froze so that may already push me in the direction of the alternative. I'd also suggest that we keep this discussion open for longer than a week, but that's just me.

        Gassho,
        Dosho

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        • Shujin
          Treeleaf Unsui
          • Feb 2010
          • 974

          #5
          Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

          I'm in for ooVoo with MeBeam backup.

          Dosho -- I'm not technically inclined, but with ooVoo the video quality is better and more reliable. You can see names of the people in the Hall above their video as well. The audio is a lot less laggy, which is a problem if you want to use the Meeting Hall through MeBeam.

          gassho,
          Chris
          Kyōdō Shujin 教道 守仁

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 39419

            #6
            Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

            Just a question ... how many people can sit in Oovoo at one time? Same for Mebeam? (although for the most part, the groups are small).
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Shohei
              Member
              • Oct 2007
              • 2854

              #7
              Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

              Thanks for posting this up Roky!

              Oovoo for primary, mebeam as back up. (my vote)

              This said both are and would still be online, available via the sitting hall menu link up to the right /me points to his screen.

              Hi Jundo, oovoo seats 6, small number i know and no chat function in the embedded web version, but it does so clearly with out a host is configurable and can does have names...so no need to say anything at all *(like hi from Shohei) . mebeam seats more, has chat but has poor quality when more than a few, and is a bit flaky, no name so you do need that chat option - this is a plus for me though i dig a chat function.

              So The idea is for sitting in the hall daily using the schedule it would be (just based on above responses) oovoo. with mebeam still accessible for times like Jukai, for example, when seeing lots of folks is needed and quality etc is not a concern. Though the sitting hall is just sitting, when there are a few folks together its nice to have it work and be able to see a face. I already have made the oovoo page and linked to it off the Zen hall page. So making one to be the first one accessed over the other is very easy, Just a simple change of one character in the name of both pages (great if one goes down or out of business or something of that sort). Right now its still Mebeam is the "landing page" (zen-hall.php), you click a link to load Oovoo(zen-hall2.php). Both pages have links to each other so moving one to the front over the other is really the only thing changes.

              Gassho
              Shohei

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              • roky
                Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 311

                #8
                Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                just one addition, shohei, in response to jundo's question -- while working on a mebeam problem, i came across a post on the developer, ashod's, blog -- in it, he acknowledged that at some point in the last year he changed mebeam to a 6 person limit, due to problems they were having with, i think, bandwidth -- i am fairly certain of this, as i tested it by opening 6 windows at once -- i couldn't open a seventh
                "no resistance"
                thaddeus golas

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                • Shugen
                  Treeleaf Unsui
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 4535

                  #9
                  Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                  I had a chance to get oovoo working on my Apple. I really don't have an opinion. I'm good with either one. (I know, not very helpful )

                  Ron
                  Meido Shugen
                  明道 修眼

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                  • Genkai
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 86

                    #10
                    Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                    I guess my vote would go to ooVoo simply because of the much better video quality, but then again who needs video quality? It seems a silly point to make a decision on... Sit with good video, bad video, no video, thumbnail video, crashing video, frozen video...

                    I do like ooVoo's potential as a place to chit-chat about stuff, though I know that is not the intent of the Zen Hall in the first place. A few of us had a nice conversation last week after sitting together there. I don't think it would work for the (formerly known as) Tea Party because of of the user limit, but I appreciated the informal, impromptu conversation. And I don't see that as necessarily harming those who just want to sit, as there are microphone and speaker muting options placed pretty obviously on the user interface.

                    Either way, it is nice to see more people using the Zen Hall!

                    -Peter
                    Genkai (Peter)
                    開眼

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                    • roky
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 311

                      #11
                      Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                      and i'm in favor of whatever hall will get folks to sit, and that now looks like oovoo, so i vote for oovoo

                      also, i like that it shows the persons name

                      roky
                      "no resistance"
                      thaddeus golas

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                      • Sven
                        Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 54

                        #12
                        Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                        I vote for ooVoo due to the quality of the video.

                        I sat with Don yesterday afternoon (until life interrupted) and was impressed by how the system worked.

                        Thank you Shohei for coming up with this solution.

                        Gassho
                        Sven
                        Words and ideas are a description of reality, silence is a negation of reality. What is the reality itself? — John Daido Loori

                        blog: http://www.svendavisson.com

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                        • chicanobudista
                          Member
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 864

                          #13
                          Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                          Never used any of their services. I'll go with the flow. :mrgreen:
                          paz,
                          Erik


                          Flor de Nopal Sangha

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                          • Jinyu
                            Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 768

                            #14
                            Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                            Hi everyone!
                            I must say I don't use the Zen Hall very much (bad Jinyu! :evil: ), but seriously, when I tried during zazenkai, I never can reach Mebeam, and I tried oovoo 5 minutes ago and I had no problems at all...
                            So I'll vote as most of us... oovoo and mebeam as backup...

                            gassho,
                            Jinyu
                            ps: I'll definitely buy a new camera, my "old" one is broken (3 month after I bought it!)
                            pps: First, Thanks to Roky and Shohei to reminds us of this wonderful tool we have. To say the truth, I don't think I'll use it a lot out of the zazenkai periods so maybe it is normal that folks using it in a regular basis decide more than the others, like myself.
                            Jinyu aka Luis aka Silly guy from Brussels

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                            • Dosho
                              Member
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 5784

                              #15
                              Re: Cast your vote here for a sitting hall(mebeam or oovoo)

                              Hi all,

                              A couple people mentioned having had a conversation in the ooVoo zen hall, which I think is apporpriate for trying something out. But I'd vote to keep the zen hall, on either platform, a silent space and to retire to the other meeting hall for chat...once we decide that is. For now, everything's beta.

                              Gassho,
                              Dosho

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