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  • Engyo
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 356

    Zen Etiquette

    A few brief questions, if I may, regarding respectful forms of address:
    Although I do not see it in practice here (and perhaps this should provide the answer I seek!) I am tempted to ask, "What are the respectful forms of address for Jundo or Taigu, for example? Are there others here to whom formal marks of respect are appropriate"?
    I ask not in the sense of what may be expected, but more in the vein of what may be appropriately offered. Does that make my intent clear?
    Let me try again. Like extending common courtesy, respectful forms of address shine in both directions at once. While the latter may not be encouraged, is it discouraged here?
    When is a teacher referred to as Roshi or Ajari?
    Gassho,
    Don
  • Dosho
    Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 5784

    #2
    Re: Zen Etiquette

    I think you did answer your own question, but I would say it's up to the individual. I tend to refer to Taigu as Sensei and, well, Jundo is Jundo.

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    • Risho
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 3179

      #3
      Re: Zen Etiquette

      Prefix their names with "Dark Lord" :mrgreen:
      Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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      • Tb
        Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 3186

        #4
        Re: Zen Etiquette

        Hi.

        I'll take a whack at this...

        Originally posted by Don
        A few brief questions, if I may, regarding respectful forms of address:
        Although I do not see it in practice here (and perhaps this should provide the answer I seek!) I am tempted to ask, "What are the respectful forms of address for Jundo or Taigu, for example?
        Call them what you want, be it roshi or onshi or sensei, or even Jundo and Taigu.
        It's up to you what you call them, but be mindful of the rightful speech...

        Originally posted by Don
        Are there others here to whom formal marks of respect are appropriate"?
        Well, you have the three stooges who are about to be unsui, and the other people here at treeleaf and of course the rest of the people out there.
        Treat them with respect and be mindful of the rightful speech...

        Originally posted by Don
        I ask not in the sense of what may be expected, but more in the vein of what may be appropriately offered. Does that make my intent clear?
        Yes.

        Originally posted by Don
        Let me try again. Like extending common courtesy, respectful forms of address shine in both directions at once. While the latter may not be encouraged, is it discouraged here?
        No, and may i say i disagree.
        It is encouraged, but maybe in not a such a "flamboyant way"...

        Originally posted by Don
        When is a teacher referred to as Roshi or Ajari?
        Both Ajari and Roshi are an expression in my opinion given to soemone when called for, not something they take up on themselves...
        But that is just my opinion...

        Thank you for bringing this one up, it has been hanging there for some time, glad somebody took it out of the closet.
        And welcome to treeleaf again.

        Mtfbwy
        Fugen
        Life is our temple and its all good practice
        Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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        • Shohei
          Member
          • Oct 2007
          • 2854

          #5
          Re: Zen Etiquette

          thats a good question and as you answered and others also its up to what you feel appropriate and what they would prefer too . Bowing is always a good way to address anyone!


          Gassho
          Shohei

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 39456

            #6
            Re: Zen Etiquette

            Hi,

            We have the subject come up from time to time. Soko Morinaga, a well respected Japanese Soto Zen teacher, once famously said, "A roshi is anyone who calls himself a roshi and can get other people to do the same."

            Me, some folks call me "Jundo" and Taigu "Taigu" ... some call us worse names.

            Here is a bit more on the topic.

            viewtopic.php?p=33245#p33245

            Gassho, Jundo
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Engyo
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 356

              #7
              Re: Zen Etiquette

              Thank you, Jundo.

              Gassho,
              Don

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