Father Thomas Keating

[Taigu]

Re: Father Thomas Keating

Stephanie...

Just to set the record straight...


We don't have anti-kensho attitude on Treeleaf. You may watch my last vid where I am making a point very clear. And read what Jundo says about it. If you are interested in studying Risotto (Deshimaru's joke), Rinzai-Soto blend, then there is plenty on the market. And it is a fine dish. Different recipe though. We are not cooking this stuff here.

We are not rejecting things said by our ancestors, if their historical reality can be challenged, their teachings are valid yesterday, today, tommorrow, in Being-time. It is good to study genealogy and make charts, it is better to understand how theses guys live in your life NOW.

I would not call the description of impermanence as a cute business and God is not a concept. Not in that man's experience. Can't you see???

I would, if I were you, be a bit more modest. That Christian monk has many things to teach us, as long as we listen with our heart and not our head.


The irony is entirely yours, I am sorry to see. As often .


gassho


Taigu

Re: Father Thomas Keating

All the cute business in the beginning about God being too fast for us to see is, to me, a glaring example of throwing unnecessary concepts on top of reality. If you're relating your experience to a concept of God, you're relating to concepts, not experience, IMO.

I can see the parallels in some of what he says with the approach of shikantaza... but I think overall it's a bit of a stretch. I think it's also a bit of blaring irony that the defense for the anti-kensho attitude at Treeleaf (not that I include myself in that) is a bit of sweetness and light about God playing games with us by a Christian monk, whereas things said by our actual Zen ancestors are to be rejected?

[JohnsonCM]

Re: Father Thomas Keating

I like how Deshimaru Roshi said it best.

"One cannot sever everything, even in zazen....But one can see in ones self how mistakes are made and that is satori. During zazen, if you think you have satori you are a little bit crazy." Taisen Deshimaru Questions to a Zen Master.

[Myozan Kodo]

Re: Father Thomas Keating

Thank you Taigu. It is a wonderful talk.

Gassho,

Soen

[Hans]

Re: Father Thomas Keating

Hello Taigu,

thank you for this wonderful link!


Gassho,

Hans

[Taigu]

Hi everybody,

I bumped into this and I listened...Well, have a go, it is really worth it. It will shed more light on why we let go of kensho. I don't always agree with the way he tells the story of the first transmission ( and why not, pretty dramatic and interesting anyway), but I love what he comes up with describing this reality. So close to our practice. So intimate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88UukqH3kDQ&playnext_from=TL&videos=_9J1zw 50mco&feature=grec_index[/video]]

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gassho

Taigu