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  • Al
    Member
    • May 2007
    • 400

    Soto Zen crest

    What's up with this "Soto Zen crest"?



    Just curious who designed it, where it's used, etc. Besides on t-shirts, I mean, which seems to be the only thing I can find with my googlefu. Does it really have anything to do with Soto Zen?
    Gassho _/\_

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  • chicanobudista
    Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 864

    #2
    Re: Soto Zen crest

    From where in internet did you find it? :?:
    paz,
    Erik


    Flor de Nopal Sangha

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 39441

      #3
      Re: Soto Zen crest

      It is not the "Soto Zen" crest. It is the crest for Eihei-ji.

      The crest for Eiheiji, at the right below, is a 'gentian' flower, and Sojiji at the left below is a pauloenia. (I do not know why those particular flowers, and am not much of a flower man. I heard once that there was some indirect connection to the crests of Samurai families of the past who may have been sponsors. All I can say is that every group in Japan has its own flower, the Imperial Family being the Chrysanthemum.).

      The two crests combined, as here, is the current emblem of the Soto school.




      Every religious group, university, club, company or family has a crest in Japan, often depicting a particular flower. Here are some :

      業界最大級の安さと種類『貼り家紋、家紋シールの専門店』和装着物のレンタル・貸衣装に最適、結婚式や前撮りにご使用いただけます。


      Eihei-ji and Soji-ji are the two head temples of Soto Shu in Japan ... for reasons of history In a nutshell ... Eiheiji is the monastery of Dogen. Soji-ji is the monastery of Keizan, the 3rd Patriarch in Japan. They wrestled ... sometimes quite spitefully, although never violently ... for about 500 years over which would be the top dog in Japan. In the late 19th century, they finally reached a compromise, and basically take turns, e.g., appointing the titular head of Soto-shu from each one in turn.

      Gassho, Jundo
      Last edited by Jundo; 09-29-2013, 04:00 PM.
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Tb
        Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 3186

        #4
        Re: Soto Zen crest

        Originally posted by Jundo
        All I can say is that every group in Japan has its own flower, the Imperial Family being the Chrysanthemum.).
        Every religious group, university, club, company or family has a crest in Japan, often depicting a particular flower.
        Hi.

        what is our crest?

        Mtfbwy
        Fugen
        Life is our temple and its all good practice
        Blog: http://fugenblog.blogspot.com/

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        • Al
          Member
          • May 2007
          • 400

          #5
          Re: Soto Zen crest

          Very cool and educational explanation Jundo, thank you. I'm fascinated by symbols/logos.
          Gassho _/\_

          brokenpine.tumblr.com

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          • Myozan Kodo
            Friend of Treeleaf
            • May 2010
            • 1901

            #6
            Re: Soto Zen crest

            Hi all,

            And what of this...



            ...the 'broken pine needle' on our Soto Rakusu? Does anyone know its meaning or origin? I think Rinzai have a triangular symbol on theirs. I've always wondered what it meant...

            I'm sure Jundo and Taigu have been asked this one before. Apologies if I'm asking a previously responded to question...

            Gassho,

            Soen

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 39441

              #7
              Re: Soto Zen crest

              Originally posted by soendoshin
              Hi all,

              And what of this...



              ...the 'broken pine needle' on our Soto Rakusu? Does anyone know its meaning or origin? I think Rinzai have a triangular symbol on theirs. I've always wondered what it meant...

              I'm sure Jundo and Taigu have been asked this one before. Apologies if I'm asking a previously responded to question...

              Gassho,

              Soen
              Yes, this came up during our preparations for the Jukai ... Here is the post ...

              Originally posted by Martin
              Could someone please expalin why the pattern we sewed on the back of the bit of the Rakusu that goes round your neck is a pine needle? It's probably just me (or maybe it's the pines we have in Norfolk!) but I can't see it. I faithfully sewed it, but to me it just looks like one of those shapes we used to get in maths exams when one had to work out the various angles and measurements etc (which I couldn't do either). If this has been explained before, apologies.

              Gassho

              Martin
              Well, I found this drawing of casuarina needles ... and it seems not so far off ...



              John Tarrant Roshi wrote this explanation ...

              On the back of the rakusu are crossed casuarina needlesneedles from
              an ancient Buddhist treesignfying that this is a mountain path,
              signifying that it takes you deep into the journey into the true self.
              As Rilke said, so that we walk into the silence, for hours meeting
              no-one. Also the needles are the green shoots of the Way, the manner
              in which the Way will spring up like dandelions in a pavement in the
              city. Somewhere, no matter what state you are in, you can always find
              a little green trace of it. There are two needles crossed with each
              other. Every time you are caught in an opposite, at bottom there is
              always some unity there, if you can find it. Theres always some way
              to hold the two together. And that is the enlightened task. So that
              we can find the true action.
              ftp://coombs.anu.edu.au/coombspapers/ot ... nter-b.txt
              viewtopic.php?p=18574#p18574
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Myozan Kodo
                Friend of Treeleaf
                • May 2010
                • 1901

                #8
                Re: Soto Zen crest

                Thanks for that Jundo. It is a nice explanation.
                Deep bows,
                Soen

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                • chicanobudista
                  Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 864

                  #9
                  Re: Soto Zen crest

                  Googling again to clarify about both crest, I found a good post at an excellent forum....

                  Treeleaf!

                  Rakusu, Kesa?
                  :mrgreen:
                  paz,
                  Erik


                  Flor de Nopal Sangha

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                  • Nenka
                    Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 1238

                    #10
                    Re: Soto Zen crest

                    Originally posted by Jundo
                    It is not the "Soto Zen" crest. It is the crest for Eihei-ji.

                    The crest for Eiheiji, at the right below, is a 'gentian' flower, and Sojiji at the left below is a pauloenia. (I do not know why those particular flowers, and am not much of a flower man. I heard once that there was some indirect connection to the crests of Samurai families of the past who may have been sponsors. All I can say is that every group in Japan has its own flower, the Imperial Family being the Chrysanthemum.).
                    I have an interesting (I hope ) aside on the pawlonia (apparently also called the kiri or empress tree) from my trusty Dover Thrift Edition of The Classic Tradition of Haiku, an Anthology which uses said crest as its frontispiece:

                    "The large purple flowers in early autumn are deeply associated with haiku because the three prongs hold 5, 7 and 5 buds respectively."

                    As the footnote is about this poem:

                    hitoha chiru / totsu hitoha chiru / kaze no ue

                    A leaf falls;
                    Totsu! a leaf falls,
                    on the wind.

                    (--Hattori Ransetsu, trans. Bill Higginson)

                    it also says "Totsu is an exclamation supposedly uttered when a Zen student achieves enlightenment. The sound also imitates the dry crackle the pawlonia leaf makes as it scratches the ground upon falling."

                    Totsu? That's a new one to me.

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