Shobogenzo Study Group?

[Jundo]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

TELL YA WHAT I'm GONNA DO ( and non-do) ....

... and this does not necessarily have to be connected to any Shobogenzo Study Group that folks want to start, please do so ...

I will take up one of the shorter, more readable, yet most profound sections of the Shobogenzo on the 'sit-a-long' in the coming weeks (as soon as I get a bit more through the Eightfold Path). Probably Shoji (Birth and Death) or Zenki (the Whole Works, the Total Functioning) ... and riff on that for a bit. Maybe folks would help me by using those as a subject for reflection or discussion. It would help me if people would grab an instrument and jump on the stage we me for a jam session.

Let me start that next week, and bring your horn.

Gassho, Jundo

[Stephanie]

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Awesome!

[wulfd87]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

I've never read something of this magnitude (and I've read some big books) or anything by Dogen just yet (newbie lol), but I too always love a challenge. I have to say I'm getting soooo freaking excited about this! It's going to be an experience.

(I'll have to make sure to look into getting a couple of those books you suggested as well, Jundo.)

Gassho,
David

[chicanobudista]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

Maybe folks would help me by using those as a subject for reflection or discussion. It would help me if people would grab an instrument and jump on the stage we me for a jam session.

OK. You are on!

I am bringing my electric huiro

[Taigu]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

Hi everybody,

Oxherding pictures vids are over... Maybe I could also do a bit of Shobogenzo...I could for instance get a famous quote and play along. Of course, you would be my guests to join the band to. What do you think?


gassho

Taigu

[Shogen]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

Hi Taigu
Any help in grasping the remarkable Shobogenzo would be greatly appreciated. Gassho

[Tb]

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I would also like to chime in saying I like this idea!

If for whatever reason you cannot get your hands on a physical copy of the Nishijima/Cross translation, it is available online via the Numata Center:
http://www.numatacenter.com/default.aspx?MPID=81

There is also the Shasta Abbey version online:
http://www.shastaabbey.org/shobogenzo1.htm

I do not know the relative differences between the two, just providing links for those who may need them

Gassho,
Joshin

Hi.

In short you could say that the shasta abbey is more or less put together for easy reading, and sometimes missing some words/wording to make it more readable.
Nishijimas version is more dense and tries to be more litteral in its translation, also including a lot of anotations.

I like to read them side by side, as together they give a more "full" translation of the shobogenzo...

Mtfbwy
Fugen

[Jundo]

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There are also some other partial translations of Shobogenzo available, most by the Soto Zen Text Project (a scholarly project sponsored by Soto-shu in Japan), Robert Aitken and some others ... Here is a list ...

http://www.thezensite.com/ZenTeachings/ ... plete.html

also more here

http://www.terebess.hu/english/dogen2.html

http://www.terebess.hu/english/dogen2a.html

[Jen]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

Fugen,
Thank you for the information on those two versions. When I am looking at translated texts, I also prefer more than one version to look at to get a more complete picture, if you will.

Jundo,
Thank you for the additional links!

Gassho,
Joshin

[Jinyu]

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Hi everyone!

It is a very nice idea to do the study class! Thanks to Chet and Stephanie for the idea!
And it would be great to have some talks of Jundo in addition to guide us into this massive writing!

Silly question:
You plan to do it just like a kind of "book club"? A bit like what we did with the Shobogenzo zuimonki ?

Anyway, I hope to be part of it soon!
I'll also be a bit more active on the forum next week (I'll have a bit less work ... and Internet at home!)

Gassho to you all,
Luis/Jinyu

[Rich]

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I enjoy reading the Nishijima/Cross version but only in small doses like once a week 15-30 minutes. At first I tried to 'understand it' but now its just an inspiring enjoyable thing to do (sometimes). While I am a fan of Nishijima's four philosophies, I haven't seen them yet in Shobogenzo. It's certainly worthy of discussion as Dogen has so pointedly demonstrated.

/Rich

[Dosho]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

Hi all,

I would definitely be interested in this for the future, but couldn't afford the books right now and I'm behind in the current book club! But it is a good idea.

Gassho,
Dosho

[Jundo]

Re: Shobogenzo Study Group?

As promised, I've laid down a little Shobogenzo Zenki over at the Sit-a-Long, and I would appreciate folks to jump on stage and join in the musical madness. I think I will continue fooling with Zenki a couple of days, then transition into some Shoji. Taigu also said he would come in with some hot low down 'Genzo on Monday.

http://www.shambhalasun.com/sunspace/?p ... more-16176

This time, I hope we can have the discussion and comments mostly over there, at Shambhala-Sun, instead of here at the Forum. It will make the editors there happy, which means they may keep Taigu and me around for awhile. That would be nice, and sorry if it is a little more inconvenient for ya a little. Let's get it going ... over there.

Zenki ... “The Whole Works”, this “Total Functioning,” the “Fully Enlivening All-Encompassing Complete Pivot Point Right Here” of our life.

Gassho, Jundo

[Stephanie]

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some hot low down 'Genzo

:lol:

http://www.shambhalasun.com/sunspace/?p=16176#more-16176

At work and can't watch the video yet, but I look forward to doing so.

This time, I hope we can have the discussion and comments mostly over there, at Shambhala-Sun, instead of here at the Forum. It will make the editors there happy, which means they may keep Taigu and me around for awhile. That would be nice, and sorry if it is a little more inconvenient for ya a little. Let's get it going ... over there.

No sweat.

Zenki ... “The Whole Works”, this “Total Functioning,” the “Fully Enlivening All-Encompassing Complete Pivot Point Right Here” of our life.

Link to digital text for those who don't yet have a hard copy of the correct volume of the Shobogenzo:

http://www.numatacenter.com/digital/dBE ... 2_2008.pdf

It's Chapter 41, pages 355-359 in the PDF.

Gassho, and thanks!

[chicanobudista]

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This time, I hope we can have the discussion and comments mostly over there, at Shambhala-Sun, instead of here at the Forum. It will make the editors there happy, which means they may keep Taigu and me around for awhile. That would be nice, and sorry if it is a little more inconvenient for ya a little. Let's get it going ... over there.

But couldn't you tell them that there is here and there is NO here & there at the same time? So. If we post here, it's like there? :wink: