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  • Ryumon
    Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 1819

    On Death

    This follows a description of an asthma attack…

    Even as I fought for breath, though, I never ceased to find comfort in cheerful and courageous reflections. ‘What’s this?’ I said. ‘So death is having all these tries at me, is he? Let him, then! I had a try at him a long while ago myself.’ ‘When was this?’ you’ll say. Before I was born. Death is just not being. What that is like I know already. It will be the same after me as it was before me. If there is any torment in the later state, there must also have been torment in the period before we saw the light of day; yet we never felt conscious of any distress then. I ask you, wouldn’t you say that anyone who took the view that a lamp was worse off when it was put out than it was before it was lit was an utter idiot? We, too, are lit and put out. We suffer somewhat in the intervening period, but at either end of it there is a deep tranquillity. For, unless I’m mistaken, we are wrong, my dear Lucilius, in holding that death follows after, when in fact it precedes as well as succeeds. Death is all that was before us. What does it matter, after all, whether you cease to be or never begin, when the result of either is that you do not exist?

    Seneca, Letter to Lucilius LIV

    Gassho,
    Ryūmon (Kirk)
    Sat Lah
    I know nothing.
  • Bion
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2020
    • 5031

    #2
    Oh, that was good. I might try to remember it!
    “If we suffered in non-being before, we sure can’t remember it now. “ Thanks for sharing

    Gassho
    Sat and lah
    "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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    • Tai Shi
      Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 3481

      #3
      On Death

      I matter, my wife matters and my daughter does too, I have been so close to her that I could smell her breath and she is filthy and despicable. I am grateful I have lived. Shakespeare said, ‘life is but a tale told by an idiot in the midst of a sound and a furry.’ How do we live?
      Gassho
      sat/lah


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      Last edited by Tai Shi; 02-12-2024, 12:55 AM.
      Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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      • Onkai
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Aug 2015
        • 3172

        #4
        Thank you, Ryumon.

        Gassho Onkai
        Sat lah
        美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
        恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

        I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 41114

          #5
          Originally posted by Ryumon
          This follows a description of an asthma attack…

          Even as I fought for breath, though, I never ceased to find comfort in cheerful and courageous reflections. ‘What’s this?’ I said. ‘So death is having all these tries at me, is he? Let him, then! I had a try at him a long while ago myself.’ ‘When was this?’ you’ll say. Before I was born. Death is just not being. What that is like I know already. It will be the same after me as it was before me. If there is any torment in the later state, there must also have been torment in the period before we saw the light of day; yet we never felt conscious of any distress then. I ask you, wouldn’t you say that anyone who took the view that a lamp was worse off when it was put out than it was before it was lit was an utter idiot? We, too, are lit and put out. We suffer somewhat in the intervening period, but at either end of it there is a deep tranquillity. For, unless I’m mistaken, we are wrong, my dear Lucilius, in holding that death follows after, when in fact it precedes as well as succeeds. Death is all that was before us. What does it matter, after all, whether you cease to be or never begin, when the result of either is that you do not exist?

          Seneca, Letter to Lucilius LIV

          Gassho,
          Ryūmon (Kirk)
          Sat Lah
          I am assuming that Seneca did not actually die there, given that he was still around to write those words. So, he is still just guessing.

          Gassho, J

          stlah
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Seiko
            Novice Priest-in-Training
            • Jul 2020
            • 1163

            #6
            "Life is hard.
            Then you die.
            Then they throw dirt in your face.
            Then the worms eat you.
            Be grateful it happens in that order."

            David Gerrold - American science fiction screenwriter and novelist.

            Gasshō
            Seiko
            stlah
            Gandō Seiko
            頑道清光
            (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

            My street name is 'Al'.

            Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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            • Shinshi
              Senior Priest-in-Training
              • Jul 2010
              • 3808

              #7
              "I intend to live forever, or die trying."
              - Groucho Marx

              Gassho,

              Shinshi
              空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

              For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
              ​— Shunryu Suzuki

              E84I - JAJ

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              • Seijin
                Member
                • Nov 2023
                • 59

                #8
                My reflection on this

                I live in a house in the corner of a park next to a big old, now closed mental hospital.
                The patients were locked in and lived their whole life there and died there.
                The house next to mine is the old morgue belonging to that hospital. When I sit zazen and get a little restless and look up, I see that house outside my window. I get reminded that now I am living. There is death. I can live my whole life inside my mental prison or bee awake and live here and now.
                Although the morgue is a quite little house in light yellow and grey. That reminds me about how easily we are deceived to stay a sleep.

                Seijin
                And I sat , and I lent a hand, and I hope I will accept a hand when I need one.

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