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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40963

    Repost: Principles of Form - Koun Franz

    Dear All,

    Shujin posted a thread from the great Koun Franz. I told Shujin that I disagree somewhat with aspects of what Koun has written there, so Shujin misunderstood that I was asking him to take it down. Sorry for the confusion. Below are the comments that folks had posted as a photo (that is all we can do to get them back), and the original essay link:

    For years, I resisted any kind of online practice. I was aware of a handful of communities that met either periodically or exclusively over Zoom, and though I admired the generosity of spirit that made that possible, I wanted nothing to do with it. It felt too distant, too… digital. Covid changed that for me—


    Here are my little criticisms of parts. Koun writes:

    Meditation posture defines all posture. However you sit in meditation, however you hold your body in that part of the practice, establishes the guideline for how you hold your body all the time. In the Zen tradition, that means a straighter-than-usual back and a kind of curiosity and alertness in the body, as if whatever is happening in front of you is really important (because it is). This is awareness of our relationship to the body. If your meditation practice requires a straight back, then holding a sutra back will require the same; eating will require the same; simply standing will require the same.
    Koun is very influenced by certain corners of Japanese Zen that emphasize holding a posture with a straight, upright back, and to hold that posture. In fact, that is an excellent way to sit ... if one has a body and health condition which can allow it. One should not sag forward if one can avoid it, one should not be too rigid.

    However, truly, Zen posture is not "one size fits all." You must know your own body and its abilities. Our rule of thumb around here is this: If you can find a way of sitting as your body requires, and it feels balanced, stable and comfortable in a way that let's you sit (or recline, even stand) for long periods, then that is a good posture for you. Try not to be someone who "figits" and excessively adjusts every few minutes, unless a medical condition truly requires you to do so. However, it is fine to adjust your posture now and then while sitting, changing if needed to another way that feels balanced, stable and comfortable.

    For our folks at home, I recommend this book very much, and urge you to work with it to find the posture(s) right for you:

    Book Recommendation: - THE POSTURE OF MEDITATION
    Hi, I would like to recommend a book about, and entitled, "THE POSTURE OF MEDITATION" (by Will Johnson). http://www.amazon.com/Posture-Meditation-Will-Johnson/dp/1570622329/ref=pd_sim_b_1 I believe that its philosophy of finding a sitting posture is very much as we encourage here at Treeleaf, namely, we each have


    And if you have a health condition which requires, no need to "synchronize" with others in the Zendo. You do what your health condition and abilities require. You can synchronize and harmonize in your heart alone if the body requires you to move and go at your own speed.

    And just one more little tiny picky quibble : I am one of those Soto folks who say that "Zazen" is not really "meditation" at all. Meditation implies doing something to gain something, to bring something about. Shikantaza Zazen is such a radical dropping of all NEED to gain or bring about, that it is not "meditation." However (here's the trick) the treasure discovered always in hand by this radical dropping of such need --is-- a wondrous bringing about.

    Anyway, sorry for the confusion.

    Gassho, Jundo

    stlah





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  • Shujin
    Novice Priest-in-Training
    • Feb 2010
    • 1166

    #2
    Thank you for clarifying, Jundo. The confusion was really on my part. This is also a reminder to myself to be patient and not make rash decisions. Especially at the tail end of a busy day.

    Deepest respect and appreciation for you all.

    Gassho,
    Shujin

    St/lah

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    Kyōdō Shujin 教道 守仁

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40963

      #3
      Originally posted by Shujin
      Thank you for clarifying, Jundo. The confusion was really on my part. This is also a reminder to myself to be patient and not make rash decisions. Especially at the tail end of a busy day.

      Deepest respect and appreciation for you all.
      No, it is good. I did not want you to take it down.

      Koun is a bit ambiguous there about "However you sit in meditation, however you hold your body in that part of the practice ... that means a straighter-than-usual back." There is still the feeling in many Zen circles that, well, the Lotus Posture is really the best, but it is kinda okay if folks sit in chairs if they need ... but they should still keep that back straight even so.

      Again, it is great and highly recommended for those who can, but those who cannot can find other ways. Some cannot even sit in a chair. Some others have bad backs that do not lend themself to holding a straight back.

      Gassho, Jundo

      stlah
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Bion
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Aug 2020
        • 4962

        #4
        Originally posted by Jundo
        No, it is good. I did not want you to take it down.

        Koun is a bit ambiguous there about "However you sit in meditation, however you hold your body in that part of the practice ... that means a straighter-than-usual back." There is still the feeling in many Zen circles that, well, the Lotus Posture is really the best, but it is kinda okay if folks sit in chairs if they need ... but they should still keep that back straight even so.

        Again, it is great and highly recommended for those who can, but those who cannot can find other ways. Some cannot even sit in a chair. Some others have bad backs that do not lend themself to holding a straight back.

        Gassho, Jundo

        stlah
        Oh, Koun has mentioned before sitting traditionally, or in a chair or however one can. He’s spoken about ritual and form before and what he always says is that basically however you carry yourself, whether in zazen or in the zendo, or walking, if you truly show up for that moment with the realization it is a monumental one, the posture will be just a bit more so.. maybe the back a bit more straight, the legs a little a more straight, or the body a little taller etc ..

        Gassho Sat
        "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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        • Do Mi
          Member
          • Apr 2023
          • 96

          #5
          Originally posted by Jundo
          No, it is good. I did not want you to take it down.

          Koun is a bit ambiguous there about "However you sit in meditation, however you hold your body in that part of the practice ... that means a straighter-than-usual back." There is still the feeling in many Zen circles that, well, the Lotus Posture is really the best, but it is kinda okay if folks sit in chairs if they need ... but they should still keep that back straight even so.

          Again, it is great and highly recommended for those who can, but those who cannot can find other ways. Some cannot even sit in a chair. Some others have bad backs that do not lend themself to holding a straight back.

          Gassho, Jundo

          stlah
          I just want to say again how much I appreciate your meticulous attention to this, Jundo. It makes our practice actually accessible.

          In gassho,

          Do Mi

          satlah

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