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  • Bion
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2020
    • 4962

    #16
    Originally posted by Jundo
    After 16 years ... you found a typo!

    Among Kannon's 1000 eyes ... yours are the first to notice. Hah!

    Well, I will fix it in our online version for now.

    Gassho, Jundo

    stlah
    I repeatedly pointed that out to Sekishi throughout these years [emoji23] He’s gonna LOVE this one

    [emoji1374] Sat
    "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40965

      #17
      PS - Chinese Sutras, including the Heart Sutra, are filled with equivalent Kanji typos and the like, some of which scholars only have found 1000 years or more after the fact. Some may change meanings greatly. So, we are in good company.

      In Section V [of the Heart Sutra] aprāptitvād translates 以無所得故 [no gain therefore], but Huifeng (2014) showed that it should have been anulambhayogena, "engaged in non-apprehension [of dharmas]." It was confusing because in the previous word the character 得 is used to mean prāptiḥ. And note that since 以無所得故 is not part of the quote, it was the choice of the Chinese author of the Heart Sutra. That said, this usage is in line with the idioms used by Kumārajīva. Early commentaries by Kuījī and Woncheuk suggest that this passage was misread by the end of the 7th Century.
      Conze’s critical editions, translations and commentary on the Sanskrit Heart Sūtra indicated three problematic statements: 1. “no attainment and no non-attain¬ment” (§1.1); 2. “because of non-attainment(ness)” (§1.2); and 3. “without thought
      Last edited by Jundo; 09-01-2023, 02:25 AM.
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Anthony
        Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 122

        #18
        Originally posted by Jundo
        After 16 years ... you found a typo!

        Among Kannon's 1000 eyes ... yours are the first to notice. Hah!

        Well, I will fix it in our online version for now.

        Gassho, Jundo

        stlah

        PS - Chinese Sutras are filled with like Kanji typos, some of which scholars only have found 1000 years or more after the fact. So, we are in good company.
        Originally posted by Bion
        I repeatedly pointed that out to Sekishi throughout these years [emoji23] He’s gonna LOVE this one

        [emoji1374] Sat
        Originally posted by Jundo
        PS - Chinese Sutras, including the Heart Sutra, are filled with equivalent Kanji typos and the like, some of which scholars only have found 1000 years or more after the fact. Some may change meanings greatly. So, we are in good company.



        https://www.academia.edu/8275423/Apo...t%C4%81_Hrdaya
        Haha! Honestly, I was a bit nervous pointing this out in case I came across as pedantic, but this was the best reaction I could have hoped for! And ditto on the Chinese Sutra typos. Typos are certainly nothing new and have been a part of doctrinal analysis for ages!

        Gasshō, Anthony
        Sat today.

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        • Risho
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 3178

          #19
          Jundo Roshi,

          Apologies if this has already been answered. For home chanting would you recommend a bell or wooden clapper for keeping time when chanting the heart sutra? Also what are the names of the liturgical instruments?

          gassho

          risho
          -stlah
          Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40965

            #20
            Originally posted by Risho
            Jundo Roshi,

            Apologies if this has already been answered. For home chanting would you recommend a bell or wooden clapper for keeping time when chanting the heart sutra? Also what are the names of the liturgical instruments?

            gassho

            risho
            -stlah
            Hi Rish,

            Well, there is usually a little "mokugyo" wooden drum (name literally means "fish drum" because of the shape and design) for keeping the metronome beat. It need not be big, and the ones that fit in the palm of the hand are fine. However, really, I recommend that you can make one from any wood that sounds nice when struck with some kind of striker. No need for an "official" drum like this at all. Some outside Japan are overpriced, as one would expect.




            The bell is used at the beginning to introduce the Chant, and twice during chant for the Priest to head to the Altar. It can be a small bell like this, also palm size. You can find many online as "Butsudan bells" for the Japanese family home altars. Frankly, most places outside Japan also overcharge. I would spend no more than $20 for a set with striker. However, note that there is really no need for the bell for an at home recital. It is fine to introduce the chant a capella.


            If you really want to dive into the world of Zen instruments, have a look at this ...



            Gassho, Jundo

            stlah
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • michaelw
              Member
              • Feb 2022
              • 267

              #21
              To save expense on drums etc an electronic metronome that makes the same sound (almost) as a fish drum might be useful.
              You can adjust the bpm to your chant then adjust your chant to the recommended bpm later.
              I have never found a metronome yet that did not speed up and slow down so it would be just like the real thing. (musician humour)

              Gassho

              MichaelW

              satlah

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              • Risho
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 3178

                #22
                Thank you

                The mokugyo of course! I normally just chant a capella; once in a while I get the urge to get a bell but never do. hahahah

                If it sticks around for a while, I'll give in, if it fades, I will chalk it up to seeking novelty to avoid boredom

                Gassho

                Risho
                -stlah
                Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                • Tai Shi
                  Member
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 3468

                  #23
                  To close I could do four vows, to open the robe verse, 1/2 hr to 40 min just sitting all this in our Free Room.
                  Gassho
                  sat/lah
                  Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                  • Chikyou
                    Member
                    • May 2022
                    • 694

                    #24
                    This is what I personally do (and this isn't any sort of Treeleaf teaching, please no one take it that way!)

                    I recite the Heart Sutra, then sit, then recite Metta, the Verse of Atonement and the Four Vows daily.
                    I recite the Meal Gatha (short form from the Treeleaf chant book) or, sometimes if I'm in a rush/someone is talking to me/etc I simply say "itadakimasu" which is a mealtime tradition borrowed from Japan.
                    I bow to the toilet and bath/shower before use (something I picked up during last year's Rohatsu and just kept doing).
                    I practice LaH as often as I can (often by donating my change at the grocery store or gas station).
                    I also eat almost entirely pescatarian or vegetarian, which is something that helps me be mindful of eating and practice on top of being better for the environment.

                    I'll probably pick up a few more good habits during this Ango season!

                    Gassho,
                    SatLah
                    Kelly
                    Chikyō 知鏡
                    (KellyLM)

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