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  • Kaitan
    Member
    • Mar 2023
    • 564

    Push/pull a thought during zazen

    Good morning everyone,

    Just want to share some experience. Last night's sit I noticed a disturbing thought and the action of pushing it away or maybe "the disturbed person" was another thought I could be aware of: as if it was a harsh movement that the moment it arises it goes away. It was like watching a show and a guy got annoyed by something and disappeared, a hoax basically.
    So the teachings normally point that we are not our thoughts, and this "experience" was particularly interesting because I think I could witness something that I always thought it was "me".

    Gasshō

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    Bernal
    Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40772

    #2
    Originally posted by nalber3
    Good morning everyone,

    Just want to share some experience. Last night's sit I noticed a disturbing thought and the action of pushing it away or maybe "the disturbed person" was another thought I could be aware of: as if it was a harsh movement that the moment it arises it goes away. It was like watching a show and a guy got annoyed by something and disappeared, a hoax basically.
    So the teachings normally point that we are not our thoughts, and this "experience" was particularly interesting because I think I could witness something that I always thought it was "me".

    Gasshō

    ST

    Bernal
    When a disturbing thought comes, neither seek to push it away, nor grab it and wallow in it. Just let it be.

    Also, "disturbing" is your judgement and reaction between your ears. Sit with radical equanimity (even equanimity about the feeling of "feeling disturbed"), and then all is just a "situation," not a "disturbance."

    Drop aside all thoughts of the "situation/disturbance" too out side you, and your "me, the disturbed person" who stands apart looking out at the outside. Leave it all alone.

    Then the hard borders of your "me/not me outside" will also soften or fully drop away. In the wholeness which results, there cannot be even a separate "situation."



    Gassho, J

    stlah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Kaitan
      Member
      • Mar 2023
      • 564

      #3


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      Bernal
      Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher

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      • Seiko
        Novice Priest-in-Training
        • Jul 2020
        • 1081

        #4
        To embody Kanzeon we try to be kind to ourselves as well as others.

        Gasshō
        Seiko
        stlah
        Gandō Seiko
        頑道清光
        (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

        My street name is 'Al'.

        Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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        • strangestchange
          Member
          • Apr 2023
          • 4

          #5
          Hi Bernal,
          I relate to this -- I've stayed with meditation because it's the only process that's shown me how my mind does its own thing (cooking up predictions, making scenarios, adding possible facts, etc...) regardless of what I do. Just witnessing that the mind has its own behaviour was profound for me, and a relief. Now I can watch the wheels spin and be okay (most of the time!). Thanks for sharing your experience.
          SC
          sat today

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          • Kaitan
            Member
            • Mar 2023
            • 564

            #6
            Originally posted by strangestchange
            Hi Bernal,
            I relate to this -- I've stayed with meditation because it's the only process that's shown me how my mind does its own thing (cooking up predictions, making scenarios, adding possible facts, etc...) regardless of what I do. Just witnessing that the mind has its own behaviour was profound for me, and a relief. Now I can watch the wheels spin and be okay (most of the time!). Thanks for sharing your experience.
            SC
            sat today
            Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this too! I appreciate it




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            Bernal
            Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher

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            • Kaitan
              Member
              • Mar 2023
              • 564

              #7
              Originally posted by Seiko
              To embody Kanzeon we try to be kind to ourselves as well as others.

              Gasshō
              Seiko
              stlah
              Thanks for the reminder, Seiko



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              Bernal
              Kaitan - 界探 - Realm searcher

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