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  • Onkai
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2015
    • 3097

    Cushion for Cosmic Mudra

    I was having trouble keeping my hands in the cosmic mudra. My hands kept going to my knees instead. After talking about it with Jundo, I've tried using a cushion to rest my hands on in the cosmic mudra. That helped immensely. Not only did I not feel the urge to put my hands on my knees, but my sitting position also felt more stable. I often have felt the need to lie down and fall asleep, but the cushion for my hands may make it easier to remain seated.

    Gassho,
    Onkai
    Sat/lah
    Last edited by Onkai; 08-28-2022, 03:59 AM.
    美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
    恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

    I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40772

    #2
    Originally posted by Onkai
    I was having trouble keeping my hands in the cosmic mudra. My hands kept going to my knees instead. After talking about it with Jundo, I've tried using a cushion to rest my hands on in the cosmic mudra. That helped immensely. Not only did I feel the urge to put my hands on my knees, but my sitting position also felt more stable. I often have felt the need to lie down and fall asleep, but the cushion for my hands may make it easier to remain seated.

    Gassho,
    Onkai
    Sat/lah
    Yes, although not so common, I have seen folks do this in Japan and the West who, for example, have some particular arm issues or (in one case) someone with a condition like "carpal tunnel" whom I know.



    People just have different body shapes, and some folks' arms just do not comfortably reach and rest naturally and stably in the lap, in front of the belly.


    Also to be avoided, holding the Mudra too high!! The following is from a yoga instructor who posted on Bro. Brad Warner's page, but I cannot recommend this at all. It should rest in the lap:


    Again, our philosophy around here is very much influenced by Will Johnson's "find the position(s) which feel balanced, stable, comfortable for YOUR particular body":

    Book Recommendation: - THE POSTURE OF MEDITATION
    Hi, I would like to recommend a book about, and entitled, "THE POSTURE OF MEDITATION" (by Will Johnson). http://www.amazon.com/Posture-Meditation-Will-Johnson/dp/1570622329/ref=pd_sim_b_1 I believe that its philosophy of finding a sitting posture is very much as we encourage here at Treeleaf, namely, we each have


    Finding Your Seat: A Meditation Posture Workshop with Will Johnson
    Dear Fellow Sitters, I always recommend this teacher's excellent advice on finding the balanced, stable, comfortable, upright posture(s) for sitting right for YOUR particular body, by being aware of how YOUR body feels (rather than a "one size fits all" approach so common in the Zen world). This is especially good



    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Last edited by Jundo; 08-28-2022, 08:57 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Tairin
      Member
      • Feb 2016
      • 2866

      #3
      I’ve read somewhere that using a towel draped from knee to knee can act as a bridge to help support the mudra. I’ve never tried but it makes sense.


      Tairin
      Sat today and lah
      泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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      • Onki
        Novice Priest-in-Training
        • Dec 2020
        • 905

        #4
        I too have this problem. When holding the cosmic mudra I don’t feel stable; almost top heavy. It hurts my arms and my back. I have tried using a cushion but that doesn’t seem to help much.
        I too believe that everyone has a particular position that works with their bodies.
        I’m happy that you have found some relief, Onkai.

        Gassho,

        Finn

        Sat today
        “Let me respectfully remind you
        Life and death are of supreme importance.
        Time swiftly passes by
        And opportunity ist lost.
        Each of us should strive to awaken.
        Awaken, take heed,
        Do not squander your life.​“ - Life and Death and The Great Matter

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        • Nengei
          Member
          • Dec 2016
          • 1658

          #5
          This is great and I am going to try it. I struggle because my limbs are short relative to my torso, so I am left with my mudra hanging. One does not wish to be caught with their mudra hanging.

          Gassho,
          Nengei
          Sat today. LAH.
          遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

          Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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          • Jippou
            Member
            • Dec 2017
            • 111

            #6
            Originally posted by Onki
            I too have this problem. When holding the cosmic mudra I don’t feel stable; almost top heavy. It hurts my arms and my back. I have tried using a cushion but that doesn’t seem to help much.
            I too believe that everyone has a particular position that works with their bodies.
            I’m happy that you have found some relief, Onkai.

            Gassho,

            Finn

            Sat today
            I have this exact problem. Even my special kneeler chair doesn’t help, so I end up sitting in a regular chair anyway to do the mudra because that’s the only thing comfortable over time.

            Gassho,
            Jason
            Sat today


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            • Tai Do
              Member
              • Jan 2019
              • 1455

              #7
              Onkai,
              Thank you so much for sharing this. For years I’ve felt pain in the upper back while sitting zazen, even when sitting in a chair. Tomorrow I will try using a cushion for the cosmic mudra to give more support to my arms.
              Gassho
              Mateus
              Sat LAH
              怠努 (Tai Do) - Lazy Effort
              (also known as Mateus )

              禅戒一如 (Zen Kai Ichi Nyo) - Zazen and the Precepts are One!

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              • Onkai
                Senior Priest-in-Training
                • Aug 2015
                • 3097

                #8
                Mateus,

                You're welcome! I hope it helps you.

                Gassho,
                Onkai
                Sat lah
                美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                • Tai Do
                  Member
                  • Jan 2019
                  • 1455

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Onkai
                  Mateus,

                  You're welcome! I hope it helps you.

                  Gassho,
                  Onkai
                  Sat lah
                  Thanks, Onkai.
                  Today I used a little folded cushion and my sitting was wonderfully painless.
                  Gassho,
                  Mateus
                  Sat LAH
                  怠努 (Tai Do) - Lazy Effort
                  (also known as Mateus )

                  禅戒一如 (Zen Kai Ichi Nyo) - Zazen and the Precepts are One!

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                  • Onkai
                    Senior Priest-in-Training
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 3097

                    #10
                    :-)

                    Gassho,
                    Onkai
                    Sat lah
                    美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                    恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                    I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                    • Tai Shi
                      Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 3446

                      #11
                      Friend Onkai, I learned to relax hands in lap, resting Left hand fingers inside Right hand fingers. Relaxation of Mudra is good; I am Tai Shi, calm poetry. At Treeleaf I am more quiet, happy and serene. I wanted serenity in another place; largely, not believing in guilt now for loving kindness, primary message of the Buddha. I try to practice loving kindness, and Mudra happens.
                      sat
                      lah/
                      Gassho
                      Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                      • Guest

                        #12
                        When I used to sit in lotus more frequently, I could rest my hands on my feet (full) or foot (half). But these days I am sitting in Burmese posture and so now I use a little "whatever cushion" from Dharma Crafts.

                        Any kind of small pillow will help. A towel often gives way after while. So, the support of a pillow is good.

                        Sat Today

                        Gassho,

                        Wondo

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                        • Tai Do
                          Member
                          • Jan 2019
                          • 1455

                          #13
                          I don't sit Burmese because I find it very unstable, so I prefer to sit on a chair or use half lotus.
                          Today, while sitting half lotus with pain again in my upper back and my legs, I noticed that one of my legs don't fully touch the ground.
                          So, I thought about using another small cushion to support this leg until I can stretch it back to the floor like it used to be; and to post here to see opinions about it (and perhaps help someone else with a similar problem).
                          Gassho,
                          Mateus
                          Satlah
                          怠努 (Tai Do) - Lazy Effort
                          (also known as Mateus )

                          禅戒一如 (Zen Kai Ichi Nyo) - Zazen and the Precepts are One!

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                          • Chikyou
                            Member
                            • May 2022
                            • 674

                            #14
                            I have been sitting with a cushion for my hands since Sunday and it has made a HUGE difference (actually, I am using an old baby blanket that my grandmother made for me as a child and that I still have somehow - rolled up, it's long enough to support my hands as well as my arms).

                            I didn't realize that my hands/arms were pulling me forward as I sat.

                            Gassho,
                            SatLah
                            Kelly
                            Chikyō 知鏡
                            (KellyLM)

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