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  • Dojin
    Member
    • May 2008
    • 562

    hands

    hey Jundo, a quick question.

    where should the hands be? over or under the rakusu when we sit zazen?
    I gained nothing at all from supreme enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called supreme enlightenment
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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39456

    #2
    Re: hands

    Originally posted by Dojin
    hey Jundo, a quick question.

    where should the hands be? over or under the rakusu when we sit zazen?
    Hi Dan,

    Usually, the Mudra should be in front of the Rakusu, like so ...





    But a couple of notes on that ...

    On a cold day or the like, I will sometimes slip my hands behind the Rakusu. No tremendous faux pas.

    Second, avoid to get sweat from you hands on a Rakusu or Kesa. So, hopefully, your hands will not be right up against the Rakusu. When I sit in a Kesa, I actually rest my hands on the long sleeves of my black "Koromo" so that they are not resting directly on the Kesa.

    Gassho, Jundo
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • jrh001
      Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 144

      #3
      Re: hands

      Hi,

      since we're talking about hand positions... is it right hand under left or left hand under right? The illustrations happen to show both possibilities.

      JohnH

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      • Dosho
        Member
        • Jun 2008
        • 5784

        #4
        Re: hands

        My understanding is that the dominant hand cradles the non-dominant hand.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 39456

          #5
          Re: hands

          Hi Guys,

          This subject has come up before. All kinds of theories out there about this. I agree with the "dominant hand cradles the less dominant hand" idea.

          Here is a discussion we once had ...

          viewtopic.php?p=984#p984

          Gassho, Jundo (a righty)
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • kudra
            Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 22

            #6
            Re: hands

            hi Jundo,
            i finally made it to the room. thank you ever so much for your help. it feels a little more comfortable to me here than in the other room. thanks for throwing me a life preserver i have a silly question. if there is no one in the room to see jenna meditate, how can we tell that her posture is correct? can i feel it? :roll:

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 39456

              #7
              Re: hands

              Originally posted by kudra
              i have a silly question. if there is no one in the room to see jenna meditate, how can we tell that her posture is correct? can i feel it? :roll:
              Is that like "if the tree falls in the forest"??

              If the posture allows you to sit long periods in comfort, allowing you to pretty much forget about your body's aches and pains ... it is probably pretty good. I am recommending folks check in with a local Yoga instructor (bring youy Zafu, cause sometimes they lotus directly on the floor) or Zen teacher for a tune up from time to time.

              Gassho, J
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Gregor
                Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 638

                #8
                Re: hands

                Not sure the exact reason why we sit with the hands in the "cosmic mudra" position. However, I find that it does help me keep my spine straighter and chest more open than resting them on my knees or elsewhere . . . I'm sure there is something more to it than that, but physically it's a good posture.

                I have read and do agree that Zazen is as much a physical activity as a mental one . . . the posture itself comes from Yoga so that's pretty evident itself. Yoga of course means "union" and deals with unification of the body, mind and spirit . . . . of course the meaning of those words is open to interpretation.
                Jukai '09 Dharma Name: Shinko 慎重(Prudent Calm)

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                • Eika
                  Member
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 806

                  #9
                  Re: hands

                  Originally posted by Gregor
                  Not sure the exact reason why we sit with the hands in the "cosmic mudra" position. However, I find that it does help me keep my spine straighter and chest more open than resting them on my knees or elsewhere . . . I'm sure there is something more to it than that, but physically it's a good posture.
                  I agree, Greg. Other positions just don't seem to work as well . . . another case of doing something that works even if we don't know why it works.

                  Bill
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