Respecting different beliefs? Even in ghosts?

[Tairin]

Some people sit staring at a blank wall with no expectations of gaining for some period of time every day.

There is a lot of diversity in what one believes. I don’t have any reason to doubt the existence of ghosts. People tend to put too much credence into what they can see, hear, smell, touch, and taste.


Tairin
Sat today and lah

[Gareth]

What in our individual realities isn’t a product of the mind? [emoji3526]

[emoji1374] SatToday

There is this stuff called air that we find useful?!

Gassho,
Gareth,
Sat today

[Bion]

There is this stuff called air that we find useful?!

Gassho,
Gareth,
Sat today

The mere fact we talk about It and acknowledge its existence and know its usefulness means the mind has conceptualized it, and made it part of our conscious reality.

[emoji1374] SatToday


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[Gareth]

The mere fact we talk about It and acknowledge its existence and know its usefulness means the mind has conceptualized it, and made it part of our conscious reality.

[emoji1374] SatToday

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I agree with what you say here - but perhaps air is part of a person’s reality even if the person hasn’t conceptualised it? Air is part of my cat’s reality too, even though he doesn’t realise this at all?

Gassho,
Gareth

Sat today

[Bion]

I agree with what you say here - but perhaps air is part of a person’s reality even if the person hasn’t conceptualised it? Air is part of my cat’s reality too, even though he doesn’t realise this at all?

Gassho,
Gareth

Sat today

Which is why I said INDIVIDUAL or perceived reality. In my reality the taste of durian fruit did not exist until 3 days ago when I tried it for the first time, although durian is absolutely a thing. Aliens could very well be living and doing the hokey pokey right now on a different planet, yet in our collective reality, they do not exist. [emoji3526] color is also very much real for most people, though a person blind from death does not and will not ever know it, although by obtaining the concept of color, it exists in a different form than for most of us.

[emoji1374] SatToday

[Jundo]

I agree with what you say here - but perhaps air is part of a person’s reality even if the person hasn’t conceptualised it? Air is part of my cat’s reality too, even though he doesn’t realise this at all?

Gassho,
Gareth

Sat today

Ah, the PERFECT opportunity for this Koan ...

“The wind was flapping the temple flag. Two monks were arguing about it. One said the flag was moving; the other said the air was moving. Arguing back and forth they could not agree on the truth. The Sixth Ancestor said, ‘It is neither the air that is moving nor the flag that is moving. It is your mind that is moving’. The two monks were struck with awe”

Jundo would say that the flag, the air, the moving, the temple, the Ancestor, Gareth, Jundo, the cat and mind are all each other, each and all, such that Ancestors hang from flag poles and Gareth is meowing ... the flag fully embodies mind and Jundo, Bion is the Sixth temple not moving an inch. Is it all moving or is it all still? Which and what is not all and each?

Boo! says the Ghost!

Gassho, J

STLah

[Onkai]

Ah, the PERFECT opportunity for this Koan ...

“The wind was flapping the temple flag. Two monks were arguing about it. One said the flag was moving; the other said the wind was moving. Arguing back and forth they could not agree on the truth. The Sixth Ancestor said, ‘It is neither the wind that is moving nor the flag that is moving. It is your mind that is moving’. The two monks were struck with awe” [

Jundo would say that the flag, the air, the moving, the temple, the Ancestor, Gareth, Jundo, the cat and mind are all each other, each and all, such that Ancestors hang from flag poles and Gareth is meowing ... the flag fully embodies mind and Jundo, Bion is the Sixth temple not moving an inch. Is it all moving or is it all still? Which and what is not all and each?

Boo! says the Ghost!

Gassho, J

STLah

Gassho,
Onkai
Sat/lah

[Gareth]

Gassho,
Gareth

Sat today, Lah

[Kyōsen]

The mere fact we talk about it and acknowledge its existence and know its usefulness means the mind has conceptualized it, and made it part of our conscious reality.

This is my perspective, too. Of course spirits are real; the problem is when people think they're really real. They're real in the same way "team spirit" is real; we can't say spirited teams have no spirit, and yet we can't say any given team spirit is a glowing person-shaped entity hovering under the bleachers. That spirit can just be how it is and it doesn't need to conform to our expectations for how it must exist or appear.

Ah, the PERFECT opportunity for this Koan ...

“The wind was flapping the temple flag. Two monks were arguing about it. One said the flag was moving; the other said the air was moving. Arguing back and forth they could not agree on the truth. The Sixth Ancestor said, ‘It is neither the air that is moving nor the flag that is moving. It is your mind that is moving’. The two monks were struck with awe”

Jundo would say that the flag, the air, the moving, the temple, the Ancestor, Gareth, Jundo, the cat and mind are all each other, each and all, such that Ancestors hang from flag poles and Gareth is meowing ... the flag fully embodies mind and Jundo, Bion is the Sixth temple not moving an inch. Is it all moving or is it all still? Which and what is not all and each?

Boo! says the Ghost!

"So you should view this fleeting world --
A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream,
A flash of lightening in a summer cloud,
A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream."



Gassho
Kyōsen
Sat|LAH

[Onka]

Whatever helps someone get through life's challenges is OK with me as long as it's not affecting them or others in a negative way.
Gassho
Onka
ST

[Jundo]

Whatever helps someone get through life's challenges is OK with me as long as it's not affecting them or others in a negative way.
Gassho
Onka
ST

Lovely.

Gassho, J

STLah

[Tai Shi]

Do I practice ight mindfulness, right speaking, and right action? I learn, "Do to others as you do to you, do to them?" Most important to follow; Right action, earth needs us to consume less. Consider consumption. Is this right speaking? Right action as right mindfulness, right consumption for others?
Gassho
sat/ lah

[Paul Nyima]

That's great, I will use it.
Sat today

[Kaisho]

Hi Van,
As someone who has been in and out of the spiritualist community a few times I sympathize with both you and your spouse.

I find that if you are feeling a reaction to her beliefs in spiritual things it might because it clashes with your own. But as Jundo has said their maybe things we don't know.

I say let bygones be bygones. If it doesn't harm you or others whats the harm in a mixed belief family. My spouse and I work in this way. My mother as well. You can coexist. Keep in mind that she should be respectful of you too. If it doesn't cost you anything why not have a ritual, it could be fun. Doesn't mean you are stepping off the pillar of science. Just embracing your spouse as someone you love.

Hope I have helped
Kaisho
St

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Edit: Grammar. Also I see Van has already responded. I am better later than never I guess.

[Tai Shi]

I sit for women and girls and families, my family!? Of Taliban do I have These precepts to guard?
Gassho
sat/ lah


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