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  • Koushi
    Senior Priest-in-Training / Engineer
    • Apr 2015
    • 1378

    #16
    Originally posted by Tai Shi
    Koushi there is no need to justify your actions on this Forum with a long rambling comment disregarding precepts. We are all together.
    Gassho
    sat/ lah
    Tai Shi


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    Thank you

    Gassho,
    Koushi
    ST
    理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi

    Please take this priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.

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    • Sekishi
      Dharma Transmitted Priest
      • Apr 2013
      • 5673

      #17
      Originally posted by Tai Shi
      Koushi there is no need to justify your actions on this Forum with a long rambling comment disregarding precepts. We are all together.
      No precepts broken that I see.

      Sometimes aversion arises and we do not wish to sit. This is innocent. Sitting with friends or on a schedule helps me when motivation wanes (and I bow in gratitude to my Treeleaf friends).

      Deep bows,
      Sekishi
      #sat #lah
      Sekishi | 石志 | He/him | Better with a grain of salt, but best ignored entirely.

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      • Tai Shi
        Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 3446

        #18
        My deep apologies for criticizing of course you can’t practice all the time. It’s both of powerful truth and a small truth that we pay attention to others. I’m distracted today and not being mindful.
        Gassho
        sat/ lah
        Tai Shi


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        Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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        • John.3
          Member
          • Jan 2021
          • 67

          #19
          Hello everyone [emoji120],

          I personally sit for less time if I really am not wanting to sit. It may not be the "ideal" sit, but I will sit for only 5 minutes if I am feeling that resistant to zazen. This way my daily practice stays consistent at the very least. Even when my body is itching to move, and my mind won't stop racing, I can give 5 minutes of my time to practice.

          Sorry to run a little long.

          Gassho,
          John
          Sat today

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          • Kaisui
            Member
            • Sep 2015
            • 174

            #20
            Originally posted by Guish
            The power of Zazen is in the pureness of the act. We sit without wanting anything because the present moment is complete the way it is.


            Originally posted by John.3
            I personally sit for less time if I really am not wanting to sit. It may not be the "ideal" sit, but I will sit for only 5 minutes if I am feeling that resistant to zazen.
            Yes, I do the same. I have a morning routine that includes zazen and I usually stick to it, but sometimes if I sleep in or if I have an early appointment or if sometimes I resist the routine, I tend to do a shorter zazen instead.

            Gassho,
            Charity
            sat

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            • Seikan
              Member
              • Apr 2020
              • 710

              #21
              Originally posted by John.3
              I personally sit for less time if I really am not wanting to sit. It may not be the "ideal" sit, but I will sit for only 5 minutes if I am feeling that resistant to zazen. This way my daily practice stays consistent at the very least. Even when my body is itching to move, and my mind won't stop racing, I can give 5 minutes of my time to practice.
              I feel the same way about consistentency. Funny enough though, when I do sit with the intention of keeping it shorter (for whatever reason), I usually end up sitting for close to my usual 30-40 minutes anyway. Once I'm on the cushion, time becomes more elastic, and I no longer feel that there is anything to rush for.

              Gassho,
              Seikan

              -stlah-
              聖簡 Seikan (Sacred Simplicity)

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40760

                #22
                Zazen is about consistency, yes, sitting in some fashion each day ...

                ... but Zazen is never a matter of long or short, and is always sat beyond measure, dropping all thought of time or before and after while sitting.

                So, some days one may sit long, for hours, sometimes for days or weeks, some days for a few minutes .... each each drop embodies all time.

                Gassho, J

                STLah
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Ippo
                  Member
                  • Apr 2019
                  • 276

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  Zazen is about consistency, yes, sitting in some fashion each day ...

                  ... but Zazen is never a matter of long or short, and is always sat beyond measure, dropping all thought of time or before and after while sitting.

                  So, some days one may sit long, for hours, sometimes for days or weeks, some days for a few minutes .... each each drop embodies all time.

                  Gassho, J

                  STLah
                  Jundo, of course we can also show up to our lives/tasks etc. fully engaged with nothing else to do, no where else to be. In this sense, our practices grows beyond the zafu. So, if we cannot 'sit' we can still 'Zazen'.

                  I've always found being mindful and fully engaged with what I'm doing more challenging than Zazen but it is a wonderful practice.

                  Always open for any tips on that and maybe it would be a useful point for this thread

                  Gassho,

                  Ippo

                  SatToday
                  一 法
                  (One)(Dharma)

                  Everyday is a good day!

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40760

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ippo
                    Jundo, of course we can also show up to our lives/tasks etc. fully engaged with nothing else to do, no where else to be. In this sense, our practices grows beyond the zafu. So, if we cannot 'sit' we can still 'Zazen'.
                    Yes, Zazen is not limited to the cushion, and can be any activity in life when approached with the mind of Shikantaza.

                    However, there is something still special about sitting. Perhaps because, while Zazen is not limited to sitting or moving or running around, there is still something special about sitting still which helps us realize the meaning of stillness. As well, there is no reason to sit ... so we sit ... as the medicine for our need to always have a reason and "pay off" for what we do in life. We sit because it is just the sacred sitting which embodies how a Buddha sits.

                    Gassho, J

                    STLah
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • Ippo
                      Member
                      • Apr 2019
                      • 276

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jundo
                      Yes, Zazen is not limited to the cushion, and can be any activity in life when approached with the mind of Shikantaza.

                      However, there is something still special about sitting. Perhaps because, while Zazen is not limited to sitting or moving or running around, there is still something special about sitting still which helps us realize the meaning of stillness. As well, there is no reason to sit ... so we sit ... as the medicine for our need to always have a reason and "pay off" for what we do in life. We sit because it is just the sacred sitting which embodies how a Buddha sits.

                      Gassho, J

                      STLah

                      Thank you Jundo, great to read after sitting Zazenkai

                      Gassho,

                      Ippo

                      SatToday
                      一 法
                      (One)(Dharma)

                      Everyday is a good day!

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                      • Timchenko_Oleg
                        Member
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 56

                        #26

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                        • Ryudo
                          Member
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 424

                          #27
                          Thank you all.

                          Gassho
                          SatToday
                          流道
                          Ryū Dou

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                          • Seishin
                            Member
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 1522

                            #28
                            Some interesting comments. I've been sitting bar one day (19 Sep '16) since I joined Treeleaf 19 days earlier. That one day felt strangely odd that I did not sit. And for a good couple of years there were times when I thought I should give it a miss but didn't. It then just became part of my morning routine and continues to be so. I no longer think should I, shouldn't or that its arduous I just do it and the days always vary. I am not bigging it up or trying for a record something, that's just how it is. I get up, let the dog out, make the bed and we both sit together. Simples. And since the FSR and SSR were opened I look forward to sharing practice with friends around the globe each day.

                            Sorry for the verbosity,

                            Sat - its a habit I've formed !


                            Seishin

                            Sei - Meticulous
                            Shin - Heart

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                            • Hōkan
                              Member
                              • Mar 2021
                              • 83

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Seishin
                              Some interesting comments.

                              Yes, indeed.

                              Thank you all for your encouragement!

                              Sat today in the Free Sitting Room.
                              --
                              Hōkan = 法閑 = Dharma Serenity
                              To be entirely clear, I am not a hōkan = 幇間 = taikomochi = geisha, but I do wonder if my preceptor was having a bit of fun with me...

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