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  • Seiko
    Treeleaf Unsui
    • Jul 2020
    • 1022

    Pain as a motivator

    I apologise that this post is so long.

    Well, it’s been a while since I posted anything. I thought I’d share my experiences of this year, in case anyone else has had similar things themselves. I have had quite a bit of pain (suffering) so far this year. I expect my situation may strike a chord with others here.

    Despite having long-term medical issues that give me chronic pain and compromise my immune response, I have been managing pretty well. Pride comes before a fall. Just as we are getting comfortable, the universe seems to find us a greater challenge.

    I remember saying to people here that I wouldn’t be joining the group that discusses practicing whilst sick, because I was managing OK! Ha!

    Dec 24, 2020 – I fell down stairs and ruptured a muscle in my lower back. It was interesting. A new pain to notice, but not to focus on too much. In eight weeks it had healed, and taking care of my precious human body, I strengthened my back with exercise, yoga, weights... So far so good.

    Mar 11, 2021 – I fell down stairs again. This time breaking ribs and requiring morphine for pain that just wouldn’t allow me to think. The morphine made me very itchy and terribly constipated (sorry to be so graphic). As is so often the case with modern Western medicine, the side effects can make you feel worse rather than better. Well, zazen came along but you wouldn’t recognise it from my body positions. A kind of itchy, fidgety zazen. But that was the best I could muster for 12 weeks.

    Mar 12 – The long awaited brain scan (CT scan). It turned out OK.

    May 20 – My sister’s funeral. None of us walk this earth for long.

    May 22 – Having to set aside the lingering rib pain and my grief, to embark on my second eye surgery. Even after two weeks my vision is disturbed by a snowstorm of floaters. I can’t see much, the world is bleary. On the bright side, I can sit in a more conventional zazen position.

    So I feel like I have been unwell most of this year. It does underline the fragility of human existence and motivates me to go to my zafu more often. Training as if my head is on fire, whilst hoping that it doesn’t actually catch fire. I feel more like a contributing cog in the world than an individual - in a good way. I have become more decisive. Not yet ready to join live zoom because I can’t see what is going on, but I’m still here, even though it may look/feel like I am rather a hermit.

    Pain is an interesting sensation. Doctors are quick to offer pain meds, but I don’t think it is realistic to think I can live a pain-free life.

    Is anyone else here in a similar position?
    I am always happy to hear advice – is there a better way to handle this? Or lessons that I missed?

    In Gassho,
    Seiko
    stlah
    Last edited by Seiko; 06-07-2021, 01:30 PM.
    Gandō Seiko
    頑道清光
    (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

    My street name is 'Al'.

    Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.
  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    #2
    Originally posted by Seiko

    Is anyone else here in a similar position?
    Yes. I am alive just like you.

    Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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    • Seiko
      Treeleaf Unsui
      • Jul 2020
      • 1022

      #3
      Originally posted by Jishin
      Yes. I am alive just like you.

      Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__
      Hello Jishin. Thank you for replying. I am glad that we are both alive.
      Bows.
      Seiko
      Gandō Seiko
      頑道清光
      (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

      My street name is 'Al'.

      Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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      • Jishin
        Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 4821

        #4
        [emoji4]

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        • Suuko
          Member
          • May 2017
          • 405

          #5
          Originally posted by Seiko
          I apologise that this post is so long.

          Well, it’s been a while since I posted anything. I thought I’d share my experiences of this year, in case anyone else has had similar things themselves. I have had quite a bit of pain (suffering) so far this year. I expect my situation may strike a chord with others here.

          Despite having long-term medical issues that give me chronic pain and compromise my immune response, I have been managing pretty well. Pride comes before a fall. Just as we are getting comfortable, the universe seems to find us a greater challenge.

          I remember saying to people here that I wouldn’t be joining the group that discusses practicing whilst sick, because I was managing OK! Ha!

          Dec 24, 2020 – I fell down stairs and ruptured a muscle in my lower back. It was interesting. A new pain to notice, but not to focus on too much. In eight weeks it had healed, and taking care of my precious human body, I strengthened my back with exercise, yoga, weights... So far so good.

          Mar 11, 2021 – I fell down stairs again. This time breaking ribs and requiring morphine for pain that just wouldn’t allow me to think. The morphine made me very itchy and terribly constipated (sorry to be so graphic). As is so often the case with modern Western medicine, the side effects can make you feel worse rather than better. Well, zazen came along but you wouldn’t recognise it from my body positions. A kind of itchy, fidgety zazen. But that was the best I could muster for 12 weeks.

          Mar 12 – The long awaited brain scan (CT scan). It turned out OK.

          May 20 – My sister’s funeral. None of us walk this earth for long.

          May 22 – Having to set aside the lingering rib pain and my grief, to embark on my second eye surgery. Even after two weeks my vision is disturbed by a snowstorm of floaters. I can’t see much, the world is bleary. On the bright side, I can sit in a more conventional zazen position.

          So I feel like I have been unwell most of this year. It does underline the fragility of human existence and motivates me to go to my zafu more often. Training as if my head is on fire, whilst hoping that it doesn’t actually catch fire. I feel more like a contributing cog in the world than an individual - in a good way. I have become more decisive. Not yet ready to join live zoom because I can’t see what is going on, but I’m still here, even though it may look/feel like I am rather a hermit.

          Pain is an interesting sensation. Doctors are quick to offer pain meds, but I don’t think it is realistic to think I can live a pain-free life.

          Is anyone else here in a similar position?
          I am always happy to hear advice – is there a better way to handle this? Or lessons that I missed?

          In Gassho,
          Seiko
          stlah
          All I can say is that I feel greatly inspired by the way you handle it. I have a long history with pain as well. I was beaten up as a kid which brought physical pain as well as emotional instability for a long time. Now, when I look back, things are just the way they are and I have made peace with the past.

          Gassho,
          Sat today,
          Lah,
          Guish.

          Sent from my PAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
          Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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          • Seiko
            Treeleaf Unsui
            • Jul 2020
            • 1022

            #6
            Originally posted by Guish
            All I can say is that I feel greatly inspired by the way you handle it. I have a long history with pain as well. I was beaten up as a kid which brought physical pain as well as emotional instability for a long time. Now, when I look back, things are just the way they are and I have made peace with the past.

            Gassho,
            Sat today,
            Lah,
            Guish.
            Ah Guish, I felt a great sense of relief when I made the decision to stop trying lots of different pain meds (for ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia). Deciding to just go with the flow and live with the pain actually provided a new sense of freedom.

            Of course, some medical conditions are so severe that pain meds are very necessary - and each of us must decide the best course to take in our individual circumstances.

            In Gassho
            Seiko
            stlah
            Gandō Seiko
            頑道清光
            (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

            My street name is 'Al'.

            Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40351

              #7
              When "sitting" while flat on one's back, rolling in the bed, itchy, fidgety, half-blind constipated zazen ... just roll around screaming itchy, fidgety, half-blind constipated zazen. It is perfect zazen. Zazen is not only about sitting upright, feeling balanced and peaceful with perfect digestion!

              As to the floaters, Dogen celebrated this ... I am sure that you know this piece by Dogen. Flowers in the Sky, which is actually about floaters and cataracts. Usually, those are taken in Buddhism as symbols of ignorance, but not in Dogen's clear eyed way of seeing ...

              [W]hen the common dullard hears of the Thus Come One's words "clouded eyes see flowers in space" they imagine that these are the "clouded eyes" of usual people. They understand that diseased eyes can perceive nonexistent flowers in empty air. Through becoming attached to this perspective, they think it means that the three worlds, the six realms, Buddha-nature, and Buddhas have no existence but are seen as existent by the deluded. They think that by eliminating the delusions of clouded eyes we will not see flowers in space because space is originally without flowers. I am sorry, but these people do not know the time of, the beginning and ending of, the "flowers of space" that the Thus Come speaks of. What Buddhas speak of when they say "clouded eyes" or "flowers in space" is a truth that cannot be understood by usual people or those that are not within the Way.

              https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...aracts+flowers
              Gassho, Jundo

              STLah
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Tosei
                Member
                • Jul 2020
                • 210

                #8
                Pain as a motivator

                Gassho, Seiko. The last couple of months have been challenging for me as well. In addition to moving once again east to west, in the midst of which I went through a couple unpleasant dental “experiences”, my recurring back pain recurred and has required constant attention. My zazen has taken some interesting forms as well, but it’s still zazen. It reads to me that yours has been as well. You sit with me and I sit with you, however we sit.

                Apologies for going longer than three sentences.

                sat today
                東西 - Tōsei - East West
                there is only what is, and it is all miraculous

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                • Seiko
                  Treeleaf Unsui
                  • Jul 2020
                  • 1022

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jundo
                  When "sitting" while flat on one's back, rolling in the bed, itchy, fidgety, half-blind constipated zazen ... just roll around screaming itchy, fidgety, half-blind constipated zazen. It is perfect zazen. Zazen is not only about sitting upright, feeling balanced and peaceful with perfect digestion!

                  As to the floaters, Dogen celebrated this ... I am sure that you know this piece by Dogen. Flowers in the Sky, which is actually about floaters and cataracts. Usually, those are taken in Buddhism as symbols of ignorance, but not in Dogen's clear eyed way of seeing ...



                  Gassho, Jundo

                  STLah
                  Jundo,
                  Thank you.
                  Bows.
                  Seiko
                  Gandō Seiko
                  頑道清光
                  (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

                  My street name is 'Al'.

                  Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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                  • Seiko
                    Treeleaf Unsui
                    • Jul 2020
                    • 1022

                    #10
                    [QUOTE=Tosei;286016]Gassho, Seiko. The last couple of months have been challenging for me as well. In addition to moving once again east to west, in the midst of which I went through a couple unpleasant dental “experiences”, my recurring back pain recurred and has required constant attention. My zazen has taken some interesting forms as well, but it’s still zazen. It reads to me that yours has been as well. You sit with me and I sit with you, however we sit.

                    Apologies for going longer than three sentences.

                    sat today[/QUOTE

                    Hello Tōsei.
                    It is good to know that I am not the only one doing zazen through these troubles.
                    Yes.
                    We sit together.
                    Thank you.

                    In Gassho
                    Seiko
                    Gandō Seiko
                    頑道清光
                    (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

                    My street name is 'Al'.

                    Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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                    • Suuko
                      Member
                      • May 2017
                      • 405

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Seiko
                      Ah Guish, I felt a great sense of relief when I made the decision to stop trying lots of different pain meds (for ME/CFS and Fibromyalgia). Deciding to just go with the flow and live with the pain actually provided a new sense of freedom.

                      Of course, some medical conditions are so severe that pain meds are very necessary - and each of us must decide the best course to take in our individual circumstances.

                      In Gassho
                      Seiko
                      stlah
                      Seiko,

                      I feel that you've found the middle path even while dealing with the medication. Over reliance on meds doesn't always help. Much Metta to you, brother.

                      Sat today,
                      Lah,
                      Guish.

                      Sent from my PAR-LX1M using Tapatalk
                      Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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                      • Tai Shi
                        Member
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 3416

                        #12
                        Pain as a motivator

                        Several ( Jundo please let me go on a bit) years ago I was on 57. Mg Oxycodone and 10 mg Valium every day. My insurance company forced my pain dr to lower Valium. I decided on my own to switch to my primary who is Licensed in pain medication he brought me to 20 mg a day and gave max non narcotics. Last year I entered a hospital where they watched me as I left Oxycodone and already there was no Valium. And I do still have a Fentanyl patch but by next year that will be at the lowest I can manage and I will continue my nonnarcotic meds and the strongest biological available for an advanced case of Ankylosing Spondylitis and Jundo lets me sit in a padded old Office chair to sit and I do Shikantaza with all of you.
                        Gassho
                        sat/ lah
                        Tai Shi
                        calm poetry


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                        Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                        • Tai Shi
                          Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 3416

                          #13
                          Pain as a motivator

                          Always always always consult with A Good Dr.!a Always
                          Gassho
                          sat / lah
                          Tai Shi



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                          Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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                          • Seiko
                            Treeleaf Unsui
                            • Jul 2020
                            • 1022

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Tai Shi
                            Several ( Jundo please let me go on a bit) years ago I was on 57. Mg Oxycodone and 10 mg Valium every day. My insurance company forced my pain dr to lower Valium. I decided on my own to switch to my primary who is Licensed in pain medication he brought me to 20 mg a day and gave max non narcotics. Last year I entered a hospital where they watched me as I left Oxycodone and already there was no Valium. And I do still have a Fentanyl patch but by next year that will be at the lowest I can manage and I will continue my nonnarcotic meds and the strongest biological available for an advanced case of Ankylosing Spondylitis and Jundo lets me sit in a padded old Office chair to sit and I do Shikantaza with all of you.
                            Gassho
                            sat/ lah
                            Tai Shi
                            calm poetry


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                            Hello Tai Shi,

                            I am speaking to you from a far off land in the East (England).

                            Thank you for replying.
                            And thank for your practice.
                            I am glad we sit together.

                            In Gassho
                            Seiko
                            stlah
                            Gandō Seiko
                            頑道清光
                            (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

                            My street name is 'Al'.

                            Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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                            • Tomás ESP
                              Member
                              • Aug 2020
                              • 575

                              #15
                              Hello Seiko, sending much metta your way, having all of this physical pain and losing a sister sounds rough. In my case, what helps is to really listen to my body. To respect what it needs. Sometimes I can deal with the pain and I am able to do "normal life", at other times when my body is really hurting and my emotions are all over the place, I am especially careful with myself, as if I were attending a baby that is crying, suffering. I have found that holding myself lightly, with loving-kindness and tenderness tends to mitigate some of the pain. And also speaking with others to know that I am not alone, to feel supported on this journey tends to help

                              Sorry for going over 3 sentences,

                              Gassho, Tomás
                              Sat&LaH

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