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  • Tom A.
    Member
    • May 2020
    • 247

    The Three Minds of Zen

    This has been one of my favorite teachings of master Dōgen ever since Kirk McElhearn/Jundo mentioned it on the Instructions For The Cook episode of ‘The Zen Of Everything’ podcast. I don’t know if somebody else shared this article by Jisho Sara Siebert but it is lovely:



    Gassho,
    Tom
    Sat/Lah
    Last edited by Tom A.; 04-05-2021, 11:11 AM.
    “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky
  • Tairin
    Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 2824

    #2
    Nice article. Thanks for sharing Tom.


    Tairin
    Sat today and lah
    泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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    • Heiso
      Member
      • Jan 2019
      • 834

      #3
      That was lovely, thank you Tom.

      Gassho,

      Heiso.

      StLah

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      • Doshin
        Member
        • May 2015
        • 2641

        #4


        Doshin
        St

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        • Nengei
          Member
          • Dec 2016
          • 1696

          #5


          An enjoyable read. Thank you, Tom.

          Gassho,
          Nengei
          Sat today. LAH.
          遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

          Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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          • Onkai
            Treeleaf Unsui
            • Aug 2015
            • 3023

            #6
            Thank you, Tom. It's a lovely article.

            Gassho,
            Onkai
            Sat/lah
            美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
            恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

            I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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            • Ryumon
              Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 1794

              #7
              Here's the section from The Mountains and Waters Sutra that I mentioned in that podcast episode:

              "According to Uchiyama Roshi, the way zazen functions in our daily lives is described as the three minds. The three minds are magnanimous mind, joyful mind, and parental or nurturing mind. These minds are explained by Dogen in the Tenzo Kyokun (Instructions for the Cook).

              Dögen said magnanimous mind is like a great mountain that doesn't move. It's very stable. The mountain to live and grow; plants and animals, allows different living beings large and small, and other kinds of beings live on that mountain. Yet the mountain doesn't move. Even though in "Sansuikyo" he says mountains are moving, their moving is steady, much steadier than our emotional minds. Magnanimous mind is also the mind of the great ocean. It doesn't reject water from any rivers; instead it makes all waters from different rivers its own. There's
              no separation, no discrimination.

              Nurturing mind or parental mind is mind of caring for others; it's the bodhisattva spirit. A parent takes care of children and can find joy in that. But children can find joy only in being taken care of. That's the difference between parents and children. We are too often childish; we
              are like babies. We cry or complain when we not well taken care of. Childish mind is the opposite of nurturing or parental mind.

              The third, joyful mind, is also necessary. We need it especially when our situation is not joyful. When we are in a fortunate condition, we don't need joyful mind because our condition is joyful. But without joyful mind it is difficult to find joy in pain, difficulty, and sorrow. We experience difficult conditions more often than favorable ones, so we need a mind that can find joy even in misfortune. Joyful mind can also help us in difficulties, as we vow to take care of others. Then we find by sharing joy our spirit. These three minds are the way our zazen works in our daily lives."

              ― Shohaku Okumura, The Mountains and Waters Sutra, p. 46

              Gassho,

              Ryūmon

              sat
              I know nothing.

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              • Tom A.
                Member
                • May 2020
                • 247

                #8
                Originally posted by Ryumon
                Here's the section from The Mountains and Waters Sutra that I mentioned in that podcast episode:

                "According to Uchiyama Roshi, the way zazen functions in our daily lives is described as the three minds. The three minds are magnanimous mind, joyful mind, and parental or nurturing mind. These minds are explained by Dogen in the Tenzo Kyokun (Instructions for the Cook).

                Dögen said magnanimous mind is like a great mountain that doesn't move. It's very stable. The mountain to live and grow; plants and animals, allows different living beings large and small, and other kinds of beings live on that mountain. Yet the mountain doesn't move. Even though in "Sansuikyo" he says mountains are moving, their moving is steady, much steadier than our emotional minds. Magnanimous mind is also the mind of the great ocean. It doesn't reject water from any rivers; instead it makes all waters from different rivers its own. There's
                no separation, no discrimination.

                Nurturing mind or parental mind is mind of caring for others; it's the bodhisattva spirit. A parent takes care of children and can find joy in that. But children can find joy only in being taken care of. That's the difference between parents and children. We are too often childish; we
                are like babies. We cry or complain when we not well taken care of. Childish mind is the opposite of nurturing or parental mind.

                The third, joyful mind, is also necessary. We need it especially when our situation is not joyful. When we are in a fortunate condition, we don't need joyful mind because our condition is joyful. But without joyful mind it is difficult to find joy in pain, difficulty, and sorrow. We experience difficult conditions more often than favorable ones, so we need a mind that can find joy even in misfortune. Joyful mind can also help us in difficulties, as we vow to take care of others. Then we find by sharing joy our spirit. These three minds are the way our zazen works in our daily lives."

                ― Shohaku Okumura, The Mountains and Waters Sutra, p. 46

                Gassho,

                Ryūmon

                sat
                Thank you!

                Gasssho,
                Tom

                SatLah
                “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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                • Tom A.
                  Member
                  • May 2020
                  • 247

                  #9
                  Both Jisho Sara Siebert and Shohaku Okumura’s descriptions of magnanimous mind remind me of the meme that reads:

                  Me: Always be kind for you know not what people are going through.

                  Also me: WAY TO USE YOUR TURN SIGNAL [insert colorful language]!!!!
                  It’s more true than we imagine because we are always changing masks of propriety in almost every door we walk through and that makes magnanimous mind very difficult to pull off.

                  Gassho,
                  Tom

                  SatLah
                  Last edited by Tom A.; 04-05-2021, 11:28 AM.
                  “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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                  • Jakuden
                    Member
                    • Jun 2015
                    • 6141

                    #10
                    Wow what a wonderful, relevant teaching, thank you!!

                    Gassho
                    Jakuden
                    SatToday


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                    • Doshin
                      Member
                      • May 2015
                      • 2641

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ryumon
                      Here's the section from The Mountains and Waters Sutra that I mentioned in that podcast episode:

                      "According to Uchiyama Roshi, the way zazen functions in our daily lives is described as the three minds. The three minds are magnanimous mind, joyful mind, and parental or nurturing mind. These minds are explained by Dogen in the Tenzo Kyokun (Instructions for the Cook).

                      Dögen said magnanimous mind is like a great mountain that doesn't move. It's very stable. The mountain to live and grow; plants and animals, allows different living beings large and small, and other kinds of beings live on that mountain. Yet the mountain doesn't move. Even though in "Sansuikyo" he says mountains are moving, their moving is steady, much steadier than our emotional minds. Magnanimous mind is also the mind of the great ocean. It doesn't reject water from any rivers; instead it makes all waters from different rivers its own. There's
                      no separation, no discrimination.

                      Nurturing mind or parental mind is mind of caring for others; it's the bodhisattva spirit. A parent takes care of children and can find joy in that. But children can find joy only in being taken care of. That's the difference between parents and children. We are too often childish; we
                      are like babies. We cry or complain when we not well taken care of. Childish mind is the opposite of nurturing or parental mind.

                      The third, joyful mind, is also necessary. We need it especially when our situation is not joyful. When we are in a fortunate condition, we don't need joyful mind because our condition is joyful. But without joyful mind it is difficult to find joy in pain, difficulty, and sorrow. We experience difficult conditions more often than favorable ones, so we need a mind that can find joy even in misfortune. Joyful mind can also help us in difficulties, as we vow to take care of others. Then we find by sharing joy our spirit. These three minds are the way our zazen works in our daily lives."

                      ― Shohaku Okumura, The Mountains and Waters Sutra, p. 46

                      Gassho,

                      Ryūmon

                      sat

                      After reading Jisho I went back and read Instructions to the Cook . And now this. All wonderful.

                      Doshin
                      St

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                      • Kokuu
                        Treeleaf Priest
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 6844

                        #12
                        I don’t know if somebody else shared this article by Jisho Sara Siebert but it is lovely:

                        Yes, lovely! Thank you for sharing, Tom!

                        Gassho
                        Kokuu
                        -sattoday/lah-

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