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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40961

    #16
    Originally posted by Guish
    Hi Jundo,

    Does this part of the lotus sutra refer to the idea that suffering is created by the mind? Therefore, no suffering and no cause of suffering.

    Gassho,
    Guish.

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    It is the Heart Sutra. not the Lotus, and the basic point is the Emptiness of all Dharmas.

    Gassho, J
    STLah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Tom A.
      Member
      • May 2020
      • 255

      #17
      Originally posted by Jundo

      I think that Okumura may have gone through such a period, but he was a bit of a fanatic in his youth, and later reformed to become one of our great practitioner-scholars with several books that EVERY Soto practitioner should read. Almost as good as the "Big 3" up there. [morehappy
      Oh yes and thank you for reminding me, I have to read those again, starting with “Genjokoan” and this time read the along with the book club thread.

      Dear Genjoers, This week (or two, we will see how it goes), let's read the full Genjo Koan translation from page 1, and all of the short Chapter 1 on Dogen's life up until writing it. If you have never read it before (or even if you have), please pick a sentence or two, or a passage, that really jumps out at you. Before we


      Does anyone want to join me?

      Gassho,
      Tom
      Sat/Lah
      Last edited by Tom A.; 03-31-2021, 12:51 AM.
      “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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      • Kenku
        Member
        • Mar 2020
        • 124

        #18
        In the Sivaka Sutta text quoted by Jundo above, though maybe not the actual words of the Buddha, is an often repeated theme of Buddhism i.e. why would you place the theories and ideas of others (or yourself) above your own experience of your life?

        The Pali word is “Ehipassiko” = “Come and see for yourself ism”. I think it’s an important principle to keep in mind when studying Buddhist texts especially because most of us will be conditioned by our Western, Platonic culture in which an idea can be a truth.

        Gassho,
        Kenkū.

        Sat today & lah.

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        • Ryumon
          Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 1818

          #19
          Originally posted by StoBird
          Oh yes and thank you for reminding me, I have to read those again, starting with “Genjokoan” and this time read the along with the book club thread.

          Dear Genjoers, This week (or two, we will see how it goes), let's read the full Genjo Koan translation from page 1, and all of the short Chapter 1 on Dogen's life up until writing it. If you have never read it before (or even if you have), please pick a sentence or two, or a passage, that really jumps out at you. Before we

          I'm very tempted. I didn't read along when it was in the book club, but I have read the book, and it's one I'd like to read again. I think if we could get several people to do this simultaneously, it could be interesting. Anyone else?

          Gassho,

          Ryūmon

          sat
          I know nothing.

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          • Seikan
            Member
            • Apr 2020
            • 710

            #20
            Originally posted by Ryumon
            I'm very tempted. I didn't read along when it was in the book club, but I have read the book, and it's one I'd like to read again. I think if we could get several people to do this simultaneously, it could be interesting. Anyone else?

            Gassho,

            Ryūmon

            sat
            I came late to the book club on Genjokoan, so I wasn't able to catch up last year. I would definitely be interested in a simultaneous read with others.

            Gassho,
            Seikan

            -stlah-


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            聖簡 Seikan (Sacred Simplicity)

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            • Tairin
              Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 2919

              #21
              Originally posted by StoBird
              Oh yes and thank you for reminding me, I have to read those again, starting with “Genjokoan” and this time read the along with the book club thread.

              Dear Genjoers, This week (or two, we will see how it goes), let's read the full Genjo Koan translation from page 1, and all of the short Chapter 1 on Dogen's life up until writing it. If you have never read it before (or even if you have), please pick a sentence or two, or a passage, that really jumps out at you. Before we


              Does anyone want to join me?

              Gassho,
              Tom
              Sat/Lah
              I read it about two years ago but I would so again.


              Tairin
              Sat today and lah
              泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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              • Nengei
                Member
                • Dec 2016
                • 1658

                #22
                Original texts

                Originally posted by Seikan
                I came late to the book club on Genjokoan, so I wasn't able to catch up last year. I would definitely be interested in a simultaneous read with others.
                Yes, please. Perhaps we could begin just as we complete the 108 Gates.

                Gassho,
                Nengei
                Sat today. LAH.
                Last edited by Nengei; 04-02-2021, 04:50 PM.
                遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

                Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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                • Tom A.
                  Member
                  • May 2020
                  • 255

                  #23
                  Wonderful! Okay, it's a plan. If anyone knows where we can discuss the book let me know... I am open to joining forces each person with a "buddy" to discuss passages or my profile wall is open for it. Either way let me know when everyone is ready

                  Gassho,
                  Tom
                  SatLah
                  “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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                  • Nengei
                    Member
                    • Dec 2016
                    • 1658

                    #24
                    Originally posted by StoBird
                    Wonderful! Okay, it's a plan. If anyone knows where we can discuss the book let me know...
                    We can start a new forum thread when we are ready.

                    Gassho,
                    Nengei
                    Sat today. LAH.
                    遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

                    Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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                    • Onkai
                      Senior Priest-in-Training
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 3137

                      #25
                      I would like to join the discussion of Realizing Genjokoan, too, if that is what this is about. Where will the new thread be? Will it be announced in this thread?

                      Gassho,
                      Onkai
                      Sat/lah
                      美道 Bidou Beautiful Way
                      恩海 Onkai Merciful/Kind Ocean

                      I have a lot to learn; take anything I say that sounds like teaching with a grain of salt.

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                      • Inshin
                        Member
                        • Jul 2020
                        • 557

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Nengei
                        We can start a new forum thread when we are ready.

                        Gassho,
                        Nengei
                        Sat today. LAH.
                        Yes please. I was going through the old Genjokoan thread, but it's such a read that it is always worth going over.

                        Gassho
                        Sat

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                        • Tom A.
                          Member
                          • May 2020
                          • 255

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Onkai
                          I would like to join the discussion of Realizing Genjokoan, too, if that is what this is about. Where will the new thread be? Will it be announced in this thread?

                          Gassho,
                          Onkai
                          Sat/lah
                          Yes to both questions.

                          Gassho,
                          Tom
                          SatLah
                          “Do what’s hard to do when it is the right thing to do.”- Robert Sopalsky

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 40961

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Nengei
                            We can start a new forum thread when we are ready.

                            Gassho,
                            Nengei
                            Sat today. LAH.

                            Yes, I was just going to write that. Please do. Lovely spontaneous group.

                            Gassho, Jundo

                            SATLah
                            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                            • Risho
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 3178

                              #29
                              this would def be interesting; great idea! My practice was going through a dry spell when we did it last time; I’d love to participate

                              gassho

                              risho
                              -stlah
                              Last edited by Risho; 04-03-2021, 05:31 PM.
                              Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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                              • Nengei
                                Member
                                • Dec 2016
                                • 1658

                                #30
                                A thread has been started for our Realizing Genjokoan informal reading group. We will start the week of 11 April for anyone who wishes to join in. I will try to get the discussion going each week, but the group will otherwise be leaderless--no whip-cracking--and will depend on your participation.

                                Gassho,
                                Nengei
                                Sat today. LAH.
                                Last edited by Nengei; 04-03-2021, 07:40 PM.
                                遜道念芸 Sondō Nengei (he/him)

                                Please excuse any indication that I am trying to teach anything. I am a priest in training and have no qualifications or credentials to teach Zen practice or the Dharma.

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