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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40772

    Zen and Transhumanism

    One of our members wrote for my opinion on the linked article, "Transcendental Transhumanism" and Zen. For the reasons I explain below, I think that the aims and ideals of the kind of "transhumanism" described in the article are too extreme, but I also feel that the writer's assertion that Zen is totally incompatible with transhumanism is too extreme as well. I will describe my "middle way" at the end.



    First, what is the "transhumanism" described in the article?

    The Cyborg Buddha Project (CBP) of the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies promotes “discussion of the impact that neuroscience and emerging neurotechnologies will have on happiness, spirituality, cognitive liberty, moral behavior and the exploration of meditational and ecstatic states of mind” ... [A]s one transhumanist-meditator puts it, we are entering a new stage of an explicitly “transhumanist meditation” that offers “the promise of an exponential uptake in human intelligence and evolution” ... Transhumanism, like many religions (including Christianity and “Pure Land” Buddhism), focuses on a moment of human dissolution and reformation; we will be torn apart in a cosmic drama and come out of it transformed and deified. ... on the way toward the “Ultra-human” and “Trans-human” destinations of salvation as Singularity and Omega-Point ...

    ... Meditation is, in this light, a tool for programming the “programmable” self (Cvercko 2014), and may be considered analogous to “software enhancements” ...
    If I might summarize this vision of "transhumanism in a nutshell: There will be such a melding of man and machine, technology and theology, that we will build paradise here on earth. This will include using technology to achieve the goals of meditation and to reprogram the human mind.

    In contrast, someone writing on behalf of a Zen lineage rejects this:

    Within Buddhism’s Soto School, we find little concern with any transcendental aims that could be shared with transhumanism. Zazen is “the form of meditation at the very heart of Zen practice,” ... If Zen can be said to have a goal or an aim, it may be that zazen itself – meditation itself – is the only aim ... Buddhism is focused on the present moment. Again and again, we find a focus on “here and now” in its various branches. In contrast, transhumanism is concerned with what we will become, and how the universe will change in the future. “The Singularity is near,” but not yet here. Not now.
    I stand between both opinions (as I outline in a book I am currently writing, "Zen of the Future!")

    Yes, the melding of human body and machines, mind and enhancements, changes to our DNA and the like are all coming (and some of it is already here) whether we like it or not. Whether it is used just to build better soldiers for the military, designer babies for the rich and better workers for factory owners, or instead, better, nicer and more 'humane' human beings, is my concern. Of course, if the technology is unavoidable, I support its use for the improvement of life and the human condition.

    However, this world will always be imperfect, so it is wrong to think that technology will solve all the world's problems (and it is certainly going to make some new ones).

    On the other hand, the Zen Buddhist fellow is wrong, for while Zen is about accepting things "as they are," and sitting Zazen without goal, that does not prevent us from also having some goals to make the world better! Zazen should not be used as a tool, but after sitting, we can get up, discover some medicine to cure a disease, work to repair a social problem, etc.

    So, I do foresee and support the future use of some technologies for the betterment of humankind (and, as I said, the technology is coming anyway, and we cannot stop it).

    - I foresee various means being used to cause individuals prone to child abuse or violence done in anger etc., no longer to have such tendencies. For example, instead of sending convicted rapists and child abusers to prison and throwing away the key, implants and drug treatments will be used so that they simply do not feel the drive to engage in such behavior. They can then live fairly normal, non-violent lives, productive to society.

    - Changes can be made to human DNA in order to make us, as a species, slightly more charitable and loving toward our fellow man, i.e., a bit more like kind and sharing bonobos than violent and greedy chimpanzees. Child abuse, murder in anger, rape and perhaps even most wars will nearly vanish.

    - We will be more easily satisfied in our material needs so that there is less wasteful consumption with its effects on the planet.

    - I do believe that technology will partially replace some aspects of Zazen, e.g., one will be able to experience the radical satisfaction of "non-attaining" or to transcend the self/other divide, experiencing emptiness, more easily at the push of a button. HOWEVER, that alone is only part of the battle, as such insights and attitudes must be incorporated into our living over time.

    Sorry to run long.

    Gassho, J

    STLah
    Last edited by Jundo; 03-07-2021, 01:00 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Bion
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2020
    • 4825

    #2
    Ah, that last line in your post dots the i. It is a generalized thing where people forget that there is the whole of daily life AFTER the sitting on the zafu and if insight is gained cause of sitting, if realization happens, it is to be used off the cushion. Fascinating thoughts you present here! [emoji3526]

    [emoji1374] SatToday
    "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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    • Inshin
      Member
      • Jul 2020
      • 557

      #3
      Very interesting, reminds me of Harari's book Homo Deus a brief History of Tomorrow.

      Transhumanism though? I'm a bit weary. Nietzsche and his idea of Übermensch had very unfortunate and unexpected implications...

      Gassho
      Sat

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      • Tairin
        Member
        • Feb 2016
        • 2864

        #4
        I thought of Homo Deus as well as I was reading this. Honestly my feelings are conflicted when it comes to topics like this. I have bias and preferences but they are really irrelevant as I do agree that such merging of human and technology is a genie that can not be put back in the bottle. My feelings and preferences are something I will need to sit with.


        Tairin
        Sat today and lah
        泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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        • Risho
          Member
          • May 2010
          • 3178

          #5
          Tairin I’m with you; having an objective conversation about this requires some serious dropping of preferences; I think we’ll likely do some ethically questionable things until regulations catch up; it seems a pattern with our species and maybe necessary for how we evolve; I’m an optimist so will stay hopeful this would be a good thing but who knows?

          gassho

          risho
          -stlah
          Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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          • JimInBC
            Member
            • Jan 2021
            • 125

            #6
            Originally posted by Inshin
            Transhumanism though? I'm a bit weary. Nietzsche and his idea of Übermensch had very unfortunate and unexpected implications...
            Well said. Thank you. The idea of a Transhuman Manifesto sounds very Unabomber-ish to me.

            I agree with Jundo that technologies will be part of the future development of our species, and that the way forward will hopefully be small tweaks in a positive direction. (And not tweaks in the direction of military applications and/or increased productivity and/or universal blondeness or some such.) So we need to embrace this future and guide it towards the hopeful positive outcomes and away from the scary outcomes.

            Jundo has already covered the article's claims about Zen and Transhumanism. I will simply add that the "fit" between Transhumanism and Christianity seems very poorly explored in this article. For a beautiful book on that subject I would recommend C.S. Lewis's The Abolition of Man.

            Gassho, Jim
            ST/LaH



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            No matter how much zazen we do, poor people do not become wealthy, and poverty does not become something easy to endure.
            Kōshō Uchiyama, Opening the Hand of Thought

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40772

              #7
              Frankly, it was easier to write about masturbation today.



              Really, I am not so sure about what the future looks like, or the "Omega Point" at the climax of "transhumanism" ...

              ... but I have a pretty good idea what is at the climax of "masturbation."

              (tee hee, I couldn't resist)

              Gassho, J

              STLah
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Inshin
                Member
                • Jul 2020
                • 557

                #8
                Originally posted by Jundo
                Frankly, it was easier to write about masturbation today.



                Really, I am not so sure about what the future looks like, or the "Omega Point" at the climax of "transhumanism" ...

                ... but I have a pretty good idea what is at the climax of "masturbation."

                (tee hee, I couldn't resist)

                Gassho, J

                STLah
                Jundo, if I ever start Koan practice the Rinzai way, and by any chance I'll get "the sound of one hand clapping" I'll hold you accountable for my failure to break through the Kensho!

                Gassho
                Sat

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                • Ryumon
                  Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 1815

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Inshin
                  Jundo, if I ever start Koan practice the Rinzai way, and by any chance I'll get "the sound of one hand clapping" I'll hold you accountable for my failure to break through the Kensho!

                  Gassho
                  Sat
                  To be honest, that sound is very different for women... :-o

                  Perhaps that is the kōan.

                  Gassho,

                  Ryūmon

                  sat
                  I know nothing.

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40772

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Inshin
                    Jundo, if I ever start Koan practice the Rinzai way, and by any chance I'll get "the sound of one hand clapping" I'll hold you accountable for my failure to break through the Kensho!

                    Gassho
                    Sat
                    And you should then go immediately to our ethics committee to report it!

                    Treeleaf Ethics Committee ( Complaint Box )


                    Gassho, J

                    STLah
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • Inshin
                      Member
                      • Jul 2020
                      • 557

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Ryumon
                      To be honest, that sound is very different for women... :-o

                      Perhaps that is the kōan.

                      Gassho,

                      Ryūmon

                      sat
                      There's risk of ditching Zen to seek enlightenment in Tantra

                      Gassho
                      Sat

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                      • Ryumon
                        Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1815

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Inshin
                        There's risk of ditching Zen to seek enlightenment in Tantra
                        Right? That always sounded like a lot more fun...

                        Gassho,

                        Ryūmon

                        sat
                        I know nothing.

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                        • Seishin
                          Member
                          • Aug 2016
                          • 1522

                          #13
                          An interesting article. But I am always dismayed, that while all other species on the planet just evolve as Nature intended, yet again the Human Race interferes with the natural process. And look where that has got us. Yes some of these desired states and behavioural changes would make a better society but our track record suggests that thing will go pear shaped. Folk would be better off helping to tidy up the current mess, rather than creating a new one for the future. There is only now Right Now this moment.

                          So when I am torn asunder atom by atom and reconstructed, please reform me as an ant. I will sit with this.

                          sat


                          Seishin

                          Sei - Meticulous
                          Shin - Heart

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                          • Heiso
                            Member
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 834

                            #14
                            I haven't really given this enough thought but the idea of introducing technology to engineer human behaviour to obtain goals, no matter how worthy, makes me feel a little uneasy. Something to sit with for sure.

                            Gassho,

                            Heiso

                            StLah

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                            • Risho
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 3178

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seishin
                              An interesting article. But I am always dismayed, that while all other species on the planet just evolve as Nature intended, yet again the Human Race interferes with the natural process. And look where that has got us. Yes some of these desired states and behavioural changes would make a better society but our track record suggests that thing will go pear shaped. Folk would be better off helping to tidy up the current mess, rather than creating a new one for the future. There is only now Right Now this moment.

                              So when I am torn asunder atom by atom and reconstructed, please reform me as an ant. I will sit with this.

                              sat
                              What if this is the natural process of being human? Not that I like this - it's sounds like we are headed toward a dystopia but maybe that's what we are.

                              Gassho

                              Risho
                              -stlah
                              Email: risho.treeleaf@gmail.com

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