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  • Shade
    Member
    • Aug 2020
    • 168

    The Zen of Sleep Paralysis?

    Hello everyone,

    Apologies in advance for going over three sentences.

    I just wanted to share a positive experience I had related to practice. I’ve had bouts of sleep paralysis ever since I was a teenager. Sometimes it starts with a nightmare, other times I simply wake up and find that I can’t move or make a sound. To make things worse, I also have an overpowering sense of terror or dread and I sense that I am in imminent danger. Occasionally this danger manifests itself in the shadows around me during the paralysis in which I feel there is “something” there that wishes me harm. Here’s a link with more information if anyone is curious about sleep paralysis:

    During sleep paralysis, people are unable to move and may experience strange hallucinations.


    Now, the way to break out of the paralysis is to, oddly enough, vocalize and speak. I have this idea, for no rational reason, that if I can just make a sound then I can escape from the paralysis. I am incredibly lucky to have a wonderful wife who will shake me into wakefulness when I start making such sounds.

    Anyway, a couple weeks ago I had a nightmare that evolved into sleep paralysis. I could not move, I could not speak, and I felt that the shadows by the stairs harbored something malevolent. I began to panic, and I started to attempt to move my unresponsive limbs and vocalize. Then I did something that was completely unprompted, I began to count my breaths just like during Zazen. When sitting I often work to count to ten, and when I inevitably fail to do so I will inhale and say to myself “breathing in I come back to my breath”, and then I will exhale and say, “breathing out there is nowhere else to be”. I suddenly began to think this and count my breaths. Every time I would begin to panic, I would stop myself and return back to my breath. I gradually accepted the fact that I could not move, I accepted the fact that I was terribly afraid, and I accepted that the thing by the stairs, which I know does not exist, could do me no harm and there was no need to react. After focusing on my breaths, something happened which has never happened before, I fell back asleep.

    I don’t know how often this would work during sleep paralysis. I would describe that particular episode of sleep paralysis as moderate, so I don’t how helpful it will be during episodes that are worse. But for me, the fact that this practice could have such a spontaneous and positive affect off the cushion is humbling.

    I’m curious to see how this practice will impact other parts of my life.

    Gassho,

    Shade

    ST
  • Kokuu
    Dharma Transmitted Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6923

    #2
    Hi Shade

    I have only ever experienced this a little bit and it can be really scary so I feel for you.

    From the information you posted it sounds like it is not physically dangerous albeit emotionally really worrying. If that is the case, using Zazen or something similar to just watch what is going on seems like a good idea!

    Gassho
    Kokuu
    -sattoday-

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    • Jakuden
      Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 6141

      #3
      Ooooh, I have bouts of this too--on/off ever since I experimented with "lucid dreaming" as a teenager. It's awful. I also try to wake up by yelling--the effort it takes to try to yell or move is crazy, though. Unfortunately I am often convinced in this state that I have to wake up because my alarm didn't go off or something (usually not actually the case) so maybe next time I will see if I can remember to try coming back to the breath, instead. Thanks!!

      (I don't think this has anything to do with Zazen though, LOL)

      Gassho,
      Jakuden
      SatToday

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      • Jishin
        Member
        • Oct 2012
        • 4821

        #4


        A person with sleep paralysis will wake up but be unable to move. While it is not a fatal condition, it can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep.



        Moving a small muscle sometimes helps to jump start the body.


        Best of luck.

        Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

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        • Shade
          Member
          • Aug 2020
          • 168

          #5
          Hello Kokuu,

          Yeah, I'm not in any real danger, it's just a very unpleasant experience. Haha.

          Gassho,

          Shade

          ST

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          • Shade
            Member
            • Aug 2020
            • 168

            #6
            Originally posted by Jishin
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

            A person with sleep paralysis will wake up but be unable to move. While it is not a fatal condition, it can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep.



            Moving a small muscle sometimes helps to jump start the body.


            Best of luck.

            Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__


            Thanks for the links!

            Gassho,

            Shade

            ST

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            • Eikyo
              Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 160

              #7
              Originally posted by Shade
              Hello everyone,

              Apologies in advance for going over three sentences.

              I just wanted to share a positive experience I had related to practice. I’ve had bouts of sleep paralysis ever since I was a teenager. Sometimes it starts with a nightmare, other times I simply wake up and find that I can’t move or make a sound. To make things worse, I also have an overpowering sense of terror or dread and I sense that I am in imminent danger. Occasionally this danger manifests itself in the shadows around me during the paralysis in which I feel there is “something” there that wishes me harm. Here’s a link with more information if anyone is curious about sleep paralysis:

              During sleep paralysis, people are unable to move and may experience strange hallucinations.


              Now, the way to break out of the paralysis is to, oddly enough, vocalize and speak. I have this idea, for no rational reason, that if I can just make a sound then I can escape from the paralysis. I am incredibly lucky to have a wonderful wife who will shake me into wakefulness when I start making such sounds.

              Anyway, a couple weeks ago I had a nightmare that evolved into sleep paralysis. I could not move, I could not speak, and I felt that the shadows by the stairs harbored something malevolent. I began to panic, and I started to attempt to move my unresponsive limbs and vocalize. Then I did something that was completely unprompted, I began to count my breaths just like during Zazen. When sitting I often work to count to ten, and when I inevitably fail to do so I will inhale and say to myself “breathing in I come back to my breath”, and then I will exhale and say, “breathing out there is nowhere else to be”. I suddenly began to think this and count my breaths. Every time I would begin to panic, I would stop myself and return back to my breath. I gradually accepted the fact that I could not move, I accepted the fact that I was terribly afraid, and I accepted that the thing by the stairs, which I know does not exist, could do me no harm and there was no need to react. After focusing on my breaths, something happened which has never happened before, I fell back asleep.

              I don’t know how often this would work during sleep paralysis. I would describe that particular episode of sleep paralysis as moderate, so I don’t how helpful it will be during episodes that are worse. But for me, the fact that this practice could have such a spontaneous and positive affect off the cushion is humbling.

              I’m curious to see how this practice will impact other parts of my life.

              Gassho,

              Shade

              ST
              Thank you for sharing this Shade!
              I get sleep paralysis too, ever since I was little, though thankfully I've not had it for a few months (knock wood!!).

              Normally I try to scream to try to wake myself up (and it is hard to scream when in sleep paralysis, so it comes out as a squeak), which results in my husband shaking me awake - next time I'll try Zazen, if I can.

              Gassho,
              Eikyō
              Sat today / LAH

              Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40961

                #8
                Sleep paralysis has become an amazing Zen teacher in relaxing the mind to fear!

                The human body is so amazing. I have experienced this once or twice, and I know that we are all partially paralyzed while sleeping so that we do not flail around and hurt ourselves, especially while dreaming. It is certainly the source of all those old horror tails of the "succubus" demon that appears on the chest in sleep ...

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_...%20their%20bed.

                ... from before we had our modern understanding of the process.

                It sounds to be as if you handled your experience just right, with great Wisdom. The succubus is no match for a moment of Zazen!

                Gassho, Jundo
                STLah
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Amelia
                  Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 4980

                  #9
                  Oh man, I also subscribe to the try-screaming-until-my-husband-wakes-me method. I wonder if I am brave enough to count breaths next time the alien comes to visit and hooks me up to an IV drip next to my bed. It can be very hard to shake that feeling of total dread after waking.

                  It's kind of funny that my dream self only very rarely remembers that I practice Zen. Sometimes I have dreams that we are all meeting up for a retreat, though! Lately most of my dreams are realizing that I am in a crowded place and none of us are wearing masks. I think it is the new modern equivalent to the old showing up at school without your clothes archetype.

                  Gassho
                  Sat, lah
                  求道芸化 Kyūdō Geika
                  I am just a priest-in-training, please do not take anything I say as a teaching.

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                  • Shonin
                    Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 885

                    #10
                    I've never tried to sit through it because it's always some nightmare I feel trapped in. I try to just move my limbs. I have heard it's caused by the brain waking up before the body. But for me it's a terribly feeling.
                    Dave
                    SAT/LAH

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                    • JimInBC
                      Member
                      • Jan 2021
                      • 125

                      #11
                      Thank you for this wonderful, and hopeful, post. I suffer from occasional bouts of sleep paralysis and it is absolutely terrifying. I will see if I can access practice the next time it happens. Thank you.

                      Gassho,
                      Jim
                      Sat Today
                      No matter how much zazen we do, poor people do not become wealthy, and poverty does not become something easy to endure.
                      Kōshō Uchiyama, Opening the Hand of Thought

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                      • Shade
                        Member
                        • Aug 2020
                        • 168

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jundo
                        Sleep paralysis has become an amazing Zen teacher in relaxing the mind to fear!

                        The human body is so amazing. I have experienced this once or twice, and I know that we are all partially paralyzed while sleeping so that we do not flail around and hurt ourselves, especially while dreaming. It is certainly the source of all those old horror tails of the "succubus" demon that appears on the chest in sleep ...

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_...%20their%20bed.

                        ... from before we had our modern understanding of the process.

                        It sounds to be as if you handled your experience just right, with great Wisdom. The succubus is no match for a moment of Zazen!

                        Gassho, Jundo
                        STLah





                        Shade

                        ST

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                        • Shade
                          Member
                          • Aug 2020
                          • 168

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JimInBC
                          Thank you for this wonderful, and hopeful, post. I suffer from occasional bouts of sleep paralysis and it is absolutely terrifying. I will see if I can access practice the next time it happens. Thank you.

                          Gassho,
                          Jim
                          Sat Today

                          Hello Jim,

                          I'm glad you found this helpful.

                          Gassho,

                          Shade

                          ST
                          Last edited by Shade; 01-21-2021, 03:42 AM.

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                          • Shade
                            Member
                            • Aug 2020
                            • 168

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shonin
                            I've never tried to sit through it because it's always some nightmare I feel trapped in. I try to just move my limbs. I have heard it's caused by the brain waking up before the body. But for me it's a terribly feeling.
                            Dave
                            SAT/LAH
                            Hello Shonin,

                            I agree that it is an awful feeling. I'm pretty confident that I will not always have such a level headed reaction, but I guess that's life.

                            Gassho,

                            Shade

                            ST
                            Last edited by Shade; 01-21-2021, 03:42 AM.

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                            • Shade
                              Member
                              • Aug 2020
                              • 168

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Geika
                              Oh man, I also subscribe to the try-screaming-until-my-husband-wakes-me method. I wonder if I am brave enough to count breaths next time the alien comes to visit and hooks me up to an IV drip next to my bed. It can be very hard to shake that feeling of total dread after waking.

                              It's kind of funny that my dream self only very rarely remembers that I practice Zen. Sometimes I have dreams that we are all meeting up for a retreat, though! Lately most of my dreams are realizing that I am in a crowded place and none of us are wearing masks. I think it is the new modern equivalent to the old showing up at school without your clothes archetype.

                              Gassho
                              Sat, lah

                              Hello Geika,

                              The lack of masks in public is an awfully scary dream! I assume in the retreat dream we are all wearing masks?

                              Thanks for the reply.

                              Gassho,

                              Shade

                              ST

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