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  • nknibbs
    Member
    • Aug 2020
    • 43

    #16
    Originally posted by shikantazen
    If I wake up from the dream world, what about people I love (my kids)? I am always concerned about my kids. Genuine and dumb question

    Gassho,
    Sam
    ST
    Sam,

    That is not a dumb question at all. I think it gets to the heart of practice— how to practice non attachment and boundlessness and be a human being all at the same time. This question is incredibly basic and profound at the same time.

    Gassho,
    Nick
    SatLah

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    • nknibbs
      Member
      • Aug 2020
      • 43

      #17
      Originally posted by Jundo
      Your real-dream children are also in this real-dream, and your love and concern for them is as real as real can be, both in your heart and how you act upon that heart in the world in which we share this dream. So, please keep on loving and caring for your children with your very real feelings, and dream lovely hopes, and make a beautiful and dreamy world for them and you too.

      Gassho, J

      STLah
      Jundo Roshi,

      Well said. I felt that was one of the most genuine responses I have seen in these forums. Truly felt like I was peering into an I-Thou moment right there.

      Gassho,
      Nick
      SatLah

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      • Tai Shi
        Member
        • Oct 2014
        • 3485

        #18
        Oh, I don't know much. I know my wife, and I know my friends, and Jundo and Kyosui, men I have met once I count as good friends, and my friend I see about every 6 to 8 months, this man who loves plants. My friend who feeds my compassion. He is a good trusted friend. These friends and Kokuu are enough, there are others like my old friends along the way and then my father, and my daughter, dad recognizing I am good. I will always be son and father, these with gratitude. Is not gratitude, and trusted friendships enough. Oh, I have to eat, shower, dress, take care of myself. The rest is luxury. So, I sit on this, life is sweet if we take care of others and ourselves.
        Gassho
        sat/ lah
        Tai Shi

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        • Eva
          Member
          • May 2017
          • 200

          #19
          Originally posted by shikantazen
          If I wake up from the dream world, what about people I love (my kids)? I am always concerned about my kids. Genuine and dumb question

          Gassho,
          Sam
          ST
          Hello Sam ,

          waking up from a dream doesn't mean you will turn into a stone with an icicle instead of a heart .
          waking up simply means that your mind which is now so busy with "non-becoming, non-effort and non-desiring", is free to do what you decide it should do .

          Gassho, eva
          sattoday and also LAH

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 44504

            #20
            Originally posted by Eva
            Hello Sam ,

            waking up from a dream doesn't mean you will turn into a stone with an icicle instead of a heart .
            waking up simply means that your mind which is now so busy with "non-becoming, non-effort and non-desiring", is free to do what you decide it should do .

            Gassho, eva
            sattoday and also LAH
            Oh, Eva, I am afraid that no matter however long one practices, the mind sometimes still has a mind of its own. It is something like driving a car or sailing a boat: Even the best driver or sailor is not always in full control of circumstances or where the vehicle (our head) wishes to head.

            However, we certainly develop greater skill at guiding, meeting situations and keeping on the road or afloat.

            Gassho, J

            STLah
            ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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            • Eva
              Member
              • May 2017
              • 200

              #21
              Originally posted by Jundo
              Oh, Eva, I am afraid that no matter however long one practices, the mind sometimes still has a mind of its own. It is something like driving a car or sailing a boat: Even the best driver or sailor is not always in full control of circumstances or where the vehicle (our head) wishes to head.

              However, we certainly develop greater skill at guiding, meeting situations and keeping on the road or afloat.

              Gassho, J

              STLah
              .. and it is free to have "a mind of it's own" without feeling this should not be so

              PS please don't be afraid ;D

              Gassho, eva
              sattoday and also LAH

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              • Tairin
                Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 3305

                #22
                Originally posted by Jundo
                It is something like driving a car or sailing a boat: Even the best driver or sailor is not always in full control of circumstances or where the vehicle (our head) wishes to head.

                However, we certainly develop greater skill at guiding, meeting situations and keeping on the road or afloat.
                This is a fantastic metaphor.


                Tairin
                Sat today and lah
                泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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