Posture tips

[Jundo]

Re: Posture tips

... please relax, calm, find natural balance ... in the posture of both body and mind (not two).

Do not argue about peace and balance.

Gassho, Jundo

[will]

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Who's arguing Jundo?

Do not argue about peace and balance.

I agree.

Gassho

[will]

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I would in future keep any such post to myself; however, I found it useful and thought perhaps someone else would as well.

As far as misunderstandings go, that is between the two people having the discussion. I understand you are the Chief and doing your job, but it doesn't mean that people are not capable of speaking with each other without conflict. Where is the understanding if you cut it short?

Gassho and thank you for your reminder

Will

[Jundo]

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Hi Guys,

Discussion is more than welcome ... just keep it civil and polite, avoid the jabs and snide remarks. However, within that context, and while bowing to each other (not two), make the same points you want to make.

Also, we should never forget ever the basic silliness of trying to talk about silence with words. Better to just stay silent sometimes.

Gassho, Jundo

[will]

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just keep it civil and polite, avoid the jabs and snide remarks

Can you give me an example of this?

Also, we should never forget ever the basic silliness of trying to talk about silence with words. Better to just stay silent sometimes.

Yes. but the post wasn't about silence. It was about balance and health, which can lead to silence of course. If one person has a view that this is this way, and it is not, then why wouldn't someone correct them or explain that it is not?

Gassho

W

[will]

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I can see what can be taken a snide remark from the post yesterday. I will in the future refrain from such remarks if in the future people refrain from commenting on personal appearance and lifestyle in a childish manner.

Gassho

[Taigu]

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Hi will.

Longdog pointed out a subtle difference. So did I. Namely: allowing is not doing. Even if you add adverbs like "gently", it is still a form of doing. I don t think we should drop our sitting procedures but I certainly think we could let go of our attachment to beliefs and fixation, including the "being right" sickness which is also my number one problem. Any angry speech in my experience arises from the " I am right-they are wrong" territory. I agree with Jundo and if my words have been unfair or a bit bitter to anybody I apologise. I just wanted to point out an alternative way.
Be all well and enjoy whatever works for you! :

gassho

Taigu

[disastermouse]

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Hi will.

Longdog pointed out a subtle difference. So did I. Namely: allowing is not doing. Even if you add adverbs like "gently", it is still a form of doing. I don t think we should drop our sitting procedures but I certainly think we could let go of our attachment to beliefs and fixation, including the "being right" sickness which is also my number one problem. Any angry speech in my experience arises from the " I am right-they are wrong" territory. I agree with Jundo and if my words have been unfair or a bit bitter to anybody I apologise. I just wanted to point out an alternative way.
Be all well and enjoy whatever works for you! :

gassho

Taigu

And yet, you must address someone when they are wrong about basic aspects of the practice, don't you?

[will]

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Easy Chet.

Gassho

[will]

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Even if you add adverbs like "gently", it is still a form of doing.I don t think we should drop our sitting procedures but I certainly think we could let go of our attachment to beliefs and fixation, including the "being right" sickness which is also my number one problem.

Hi Taigu,

I do agree. However, like playing the piano we first learn the notes and then forget them. It becomes a habit. That's basically what my post was. Just finding your natural balanced posture and making it a habit. No right, no wrong. I found it helpful.

Although there is nothing to attain, we still take our vitamins. Just not to extremes.

I think I explained it enough already.

Gassho

[disastermouse]

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Easy Chet.

Gassho

Does that mean you shouldn't? You should maybe do it softly, but it should still be done, no?

Chet

[will]

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Does that mean you shouldn't? You should maybe do it softly, but it should still be done, no?

sorry? I don't understand.

I was talking about the post to Taigu

G,W

[will]

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It means take it easy. No need to argue

Gassho

[Taigu]

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Hi disastermouse,

Like you name a lot! I believe in the virtue of addressing people through just being and living rather than pointing out their mistakes. In other words, we could get on with our own stuff. Great teachers like Kobun roshi, Suzuki roshi lived their life as a way to teach, and this was most inspiring to others. Ryokan in a very famous story shed a few tears on the sandals of his naughty relative rather than telling him off and...it worked, the guy completely changed. You may also kindly give a direction. Anyway, the student doesn t follow you but what you follow. I spend my time shedding away tons of beliefs about this and that and to the look of things, the process is endless. This is the best way to help. As one monk who happens to be a GP told me one day: when one of my client is dying and I cannot sleep because of the very thought of his suffering and death, the only thing I can do in the night is to sit.

About being upright: It can be done but nobody doing it. There is a way to sit upright without doing it. The right thing does itself. But I don't want to go into a Alexander Technique view versus a more traditionnal view. I would recommand you to explore what works for you.

gassho

Taigu

[disastermouse]

Re: Posture tips

Hi disastermouse,

Like you name a lot! I believe in the virtue of addressing people through just being and living rather than pointing out their mistakes. In other words, we could get on with our own stuff. Great teachers like Kobun roshi, Suzuki roshi lived their life as a way to teach, and this was most inspiring to others. Ryokan in a very famous story shed a few tears on the sandals of his naughty relative rather than telling him off and...it worked, the guy completely changed. You may also kindly give a direction. Anyway, the student doesn t follow you but what you follow. I spend my time shedding away tons of beliefs about this and that and to the look of things, the process is endless. This is the best way to help. As one monk who happens to be a GP told me one day: when one of my client is dying and I cannot sleep because of the very thought of his suffering and death, the only thing I can do in the night is to sit.

About being upright: It can be done but nobody doing it. There is a way to sit upright without doing it. The right thing does itself. But I don't want to go into a Alexander Technique view versus a more traditionnal view. I would recommand you to explore what works for you.

gassho

Taigu

If no one corrects wrong views, wrong views will permeate the practice. I'm not talking so much about morality as I'm talking about propagating an incorrect way and calling it 'Zen'.