Repentance, forgiveness, and redemption in Buddhism?

[Hoseki]

Hi folks,


Sometimes when people say ACAB they don't specifically mean that each individual is a bad apple so much as the way the police are setup (increased access to military grad weapons) and used (e.g. over policing poor mostly minority neighborhoods) or laws (civil forfeiture) contribute to an environment where the police are seen as much as a threat than a help. These are systemic problems and they catch us all but it does allow certain groups of people to be abused by the police.

Jishin, I appreciate you outlining a part of the issue with police in the US. As well as presenting them as people which we can't lose sight of. But there are other issues related to the police and police violence that are outside of training. I mentioned a few above but there are others. For example, the NYPD wanted to do a work slow down in response to the person who killed Eric Garner was let go from the force. Or Freddie Gray who was killed by a "rough ride" in the back of a police van in Baltimore. Or Robert Dziekański who was tased to death in a Vancouver airport. He didn't speak English had spent the day stuck in the airport unable to communicate.

I'd like to reiterate that I'm not saying cops are automatically bad people but the police as a whole have certainly done their part to strike fear in the hearts of the people they profess to protect.



Gassho
Hoseki

[Jishin]

Hi folks,


Sometimes when people say ACAB they don't specifically mean that each individual is a bad apple so much as the way the police are setup (increased access to military grad weapons) and used (e.g. over policing poor mostly minority neighborhoods) or laws (civil forfeiture) contribute to an environment where the police are seen as much as a threat than a help. These are systemic problems and they catch us all but it does allow certain groups of people to be abused by the police.

Jishin, I appreciate you outlining a part of the issue with police in the US. As well as presenting them as people which we can't lose sight of. But there are other issues related to the police and police violence that are outside of training. I mentioned a few above but there are others. For example, the NYPD wanted to do a work slow down in response to the person who killed Eric Garner was let go from the force. Or Freddie Gray who was killed by a "rough ride" in the back of a police van in Baltimore. Or Robert Dziekański who was tased to death in a Vancouver airport. He didn't speak English had spent the day stuck in the airport unable to communicate.

I'd like to reiterate that I'm not saying cops are automatically bad people but the police as a whole have certainly done their part to strike fear in the hearts of the people they profess to protect.



Gassho
Hoseki

Hi Hoseki,

You and I are responsible for the police force behavior. We pay the taxes that pays their salaries. We elect the individuals that write laws. We elect the judges of right and wrong. We elect the executors of the law. We encourage behavior by passive or active participation. We are the police. It’s us, no one else.

My two cents.

Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

[Hoseki]

Hi Hoseki,

You and I are responsible for the police force behavior. We pay the taxes that pays their salaries. We elect the individuals that write laws. We elect the judges of right and wrong. We elect the executors of the law. We encourage behavior by passive or active participation. We are the police. It’s us, no one else.

My two cents.

Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__

Hi Jishin, I think I understand. From a point of view the society we live in is one made of the people, their actions, environment etc... We are the individual threads of the whole cloth. I assume that's the point your making? Taking the larger view of the whole? I think that's important but I also think we need to take the smaller view as well. Its important to be able to see the forest from the trees but if we can't distinguish the trees from the the forest we are lost. If that makes sense?

gassho
Sattoday/lah
Hoseki

[Jishin]

Hi Jishin, I think I understand. From a point of view the society we live in is one made of the people, their actions, environment etc... We are the individual threads of the whole cloth. I assume that's the point your making? Taking the larger view of the whole? I think that's important but I also think we need to take the smaller view as well. Its important to be able to see the forest from the trees but if we can't distinguish the trees from the the forest we are lost. If that makes sense?

gassho
Sattoday/lah
Hoseki

Agreed. Not one, not two.

Gassho, Jishin, __/stlah\__