My Genzo-e Journal: 37th Fascicle of Shobogenzo "Shunju"

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  • sjlabat
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    • Apr 2018
    • 147

    My Genzo-e Journal: 37th Fascicle of Shobogenzo "Shunju"

    Last Monday I returned from Genzo-e at Sanshinji, Shohaku Okumura Roshi’s temple in Bloomington, Indiana. Genzo-e lasted about six days. While Okumura Roshi taught for about three hours each day, the day included roughly seven hours of zazen as well. I was impressed by the international group attending Genzo-e. Students hailed from Japan, Germany, Holland, and even Richmond, Virginia. The topic for his teaching was the 37th Fascicle of Shobogenzo “Shunju” (Spring and Autumn). In the days to come I would like to give my recap, my thoughts, regarding what Okumura covered.

    As a disclaimer – any insight into understanding Shobogenzo are Okumura’s. Errors, omissions and misunderstandings are entirely mine!

    Context:

    Dogen moved his monastery from Kyoto to rural Fukui province (near the Sea of Japan) abruptly in 1243. While conflict with the more established Tendai sect may have been at issue, Okumura Roshi speculated an additional, or perhaps alternate, reason: Dogen may not have received the reception in Kyoto that he sought. Disappointed, he moved his monastery to continue a more dedicated practice less encumbered by the politics of the big city. Okumura also offered the thought that had he wanted to remain in Kyoto Dogen possessed the political, economic, and familial connections that could have marshalled support against his competitors. Okumura Roshi – offered this as a possibility for consideration and not as an assertion of established fact.

    The early days of what would become Eiheiji were difficult. Winds blowing off of the Sea of Japan brought tremendous snow and cold to the monastic company living in a broken-down temple with a kitchen located at an inconvenient distance.
    Certainly, many of Dogen’s monks would have asked (or at very least thought)…

    “When cold (especially cold!) or heat arrive, how should we avoid it?”

    In the days to come I would like to continue with:

    1) The Koan on cold and heat
    2) Two middle ways
    3) Dogen and the five ranks
    4) Relative and the Absolute

    Your thoughts, corrections, comments appreciated
    gassho,
    sjl
    sat.lah
  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    #2
    Originally posted by sjlabat

    “When cold (especially cold!) or heat arrive, how should we avoid it?”
    It’s not a problem unless it’s a problem. I don’t see a problem. Don’t touch the hook. Now cut my tongue out and feed it to the dogs.



    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40772

      #3
      Thank you, Sean, and welcome back.

      Okumura Roshi's theory about Kyoto and Dogen's connections is interesting, but I tend to doubt one aspect. Everyone who was anyone in Kyoto had connections, and the monks of the Tendai Sect (not to mention the Rinzai monks of the huge temple compared to Dogen's temple being built practically next door) had many better connections than Dogen, the orphaned illegitimate child of an unnamed dead mid-level aristocrat who had been already a priest and on his own for almost 35 years since being shipped off by the family, even as his mother died and that branch of the family was out of favor anyway. In other words, Dogen was no longer quite so well connected at all, especially compared to those powerful folks who found him bothersome.

      All the history indicates that he got squeezed out of town and was tempted by the offer of Lord Hatano, a local lord off in the boondocks, to build him a monastery.

      Gassho, J

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      Last edited by Jundo; 11-16-2018, 03:45 AM.
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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40772

        #4
        Originally posted by Jishin
        It’s not a problem unless it’s a problem. I don’t see a problem. Don’t touch the hook. Now cut my tongue out and feed it to the dogs.



        Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
        Said by a guy living in a house with central air and heating. Don't touch the thermostat!

        Even your dogs have heated dog houses.

        Gassho, J (currently writing this while sitting next to a heater while wearing a blanket)

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        Last edited by Jundo; 11-16-2018, 03:45 AM.
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        • sjlabat
          Member
          • Apr 2018
          • 147

          #5
          Thanks for the input and comments - I remember reading about the flight to fukui in Doumoulin's book but can't say I know all that much in depth about the event.
          gassho
          sjl

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          • Jakuden
            Member
            • Jun 2015
            • 6141

            #6
            How wonderful Sean, thank you so much for sharing your experience with us!! I can’t wait to hear more.

            (Yes I think Bodhi and Terra could both do that, will await the videos!!)

            Gassho
            Jakuden
            SatToday/LAH


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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40772

              #7
              I split off our DOGen posts so that we can focus on Dogen.



              Gassho, J

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              • sjlabat
                Member
                • Apr 2018
                • 147

                #8
                I kinda liked the DOGen posts in there!
                gassho,
                sjl

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                • Kokuu
                  Dharma Transmitted Priest
                  • Nov 2012
                  • 6881

                  #9
                  Thank you for sharing your thoughts and observations, Sean. It must have been a great experience to hear Okumura teach.

                  That is an interesting fascicle and I look forward to your words regarding the koan and five ranks.

                  Gassho
                  Kokuu
                  -sattoday-
                  Last edited by Kokuu; 11-17-2018, 05:38 PM.

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                  • Meitou
                    Member
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 1656

                    #10
                    What a great post Sean, I envy you in the nicest way possible and I thank you for sharing this experience. I'm sure it will be especially important to people like myself who may never have the chance to do something similar. I'm looking forward to your updates.
                    Gassho
                    Meitou
                    Satwithyoualltoday lah
                    命 Mei - life
                    島 Tou - island

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                    • sjlabat
                      Member
                      • Apr 2018
                      • 147

                      #11
                      Thanks everybody for your comments - and, please be sure to write if something doesn't sound 'quite right.' Writing helps clarify my thoughts on all of this.
                      thanks again,
                      gassho
                      sjl
                      sat, lah

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                      • sjlabat
                        Member
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 147

                        #12
                        Genzo-e journal 37th Fascicle of Shobogenzo 'Shunju' cold and heat.

                        Okumura Roshi points out that this fascicle was delivered to the assembly twice, so apparently it was important to Dogen. Okumura does not attempt to explicitly resolve why this fascicle was important to Dogen. A listener, well, this listener anyway, surmised that it may have been important because of the koan that opens the fascicle and also because of what the fascicle may say about the “middle way,” Dogen’s relationship with the “five ranks,” and what Dogen may have been trying to say about his experience of the relative and the absolute.

                        Dogen delivers the koan to his frozen monks:

                        A chess game between between Monk and Dongshan/Tozan –
                        Nameless Monk asks: When cold or heat come, how should we avoid it?
                        Dongshan/Tozan responds: Why don’t you go to the place without cold and heat?
                        Monk: What is the place without cold and heat like?
                        Dongshan/Tozan: When it is cold, kill the acarya with cold. When it is hot, kill the acarya with heat.

                        “Acarya,” mature teacher who can take on students of his/her own, the people who comprised Dogen’s audience – so, pretty much means “yourself,” kill yourself with cold… (note, and Okumura explicitly stated – Dogen is not advocating harm to self or others in this koan!) Rather, entering fully into the moment where this is no ‘this’ vs. ‘that’ ‘comfort’ vs. ‘discomfort’ ‘heat’ vs. ‘cold.’

                        For Dogen, the experience of cold and heat may have been in invitation to develop “Magnanimous mind” a mind that does not discriminate between what I like vs. what I don’t like but accept all conditions wholeheartedly.

                        In this koan, being free from “too cold/too hot” means freeing myself from “just right” as well.

                        Being free from ‘cold and heat’ is not an easy practice. Dogen likely delivered this koan to an assembly where cold, potentially fatal cold, was not theory – but everyday suffering. Likewise, what do you do when cold and heat, sickness, old age, and death are not theoryland – but every day, very real suffering.

                        Gassho,
                        Sjl
                        Sat,lah

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                        • Beakon
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                          • Mar 2017
                          • 138

                          #13
                          I will have to keep this in mind when I'm ready to take cold showers or drinking cold tea!

                          Sat Today
                          Sean


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                          "May I be a flashlight to all beings living in life's dreary and despicable basement" - Sean C.T.

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                          • sjlabat
                            Member
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 147

                            #14
                            Yeah,
                            esp. with cold drinks - I get that annoying tooth-ache thing...
                            sjl

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                            • Jundo
                              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 40772

                              #15
                              I have to keep this in mind today, living in a traditional Japanese wood and paper house in which I can see through gaps in the walls to the outside in some places.

                              I am reminded of the new Zen Hall that was built about 20 years ago at the branch of Eiheiji Training Monastery in Tokyo. I used to sit there each week. The new Zen Hall had modern AC and heating, and the Roshi kept the remote control right next to his seating place. I remember a couple of times when, right at the start of Zazen, we could here the "peep peep peep" as the Roshi adjusted the temperature with the control.

                              Another temple I sat at in the mountains, a Rinzai place, would open the big wooden windows at the end of Zazen on a cold day. I remember the snow blowing off the rafters, and into the room where we sat, some landing on my shoulders.

                              Gassho, J

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