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  • Meitou
    Member
    • Feb 2017
    • 1656

    #16
    Originally posted by Souchi
    Thanks for sharing this, Meitou Ryumonji in Weiterswiller is where I go to for Sesshins, so I can confirm that the place looks like depicted in the movie

    I can also confirm that at least there it is quite common to wear a black cotton kimono as a kind of lay robe for the ceremonies, Zazen and Oryoki. Oryoki usually takes place immediately after Zazen, so you wouldn't have time to change your clothes anyway. For Samu you wear something appropriate to what you are doing and during free time you can wear what you want. The monks and nuns wear full robes and Kesa/Rakusu or Japanese style Samu-clothing. As far as I can tell you are not obliged to wear a lay robe if you're a lay person unless you are participating in something special like Jukai. I bought my kimono for the regular Sunday sit with my local group and without anybody urging me to do so. Half of the people there wear lay robes. Aside from the fact that I also like the bells and whistles I can say that I like sitting with a kimono because it's very comfortable for me. My legs feel less "squeezed" because there is no additional layer of cloth wrapped around them and since the kimono covers legs and feet you don't get cold feet if you don't wear socks At home I usually don't wear the kimono, though, unless there is some special occasion.

    Gassho
    Souchi

    SatToday/lah
    I'm really pleased that someone here actually sits in one of these centres, thank you for the information Souchi. I think I would probably prefer samue to robes, although I can see the advantages in winter!
    Gassho
    Meitou
    Satwithyoualltoday lah
    命 Mei - life
    島 Tou - island

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    • Daitetsu
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 1154

      #17
      When Jundo replaced the Buddha statue with a vacuum cleaner during one of our zazenkais this was more "authentic zen" to me than the most formal ceremony with robes.
      (Which does not mean that I don't enjoy ceremonies.)
      I will never forget that moment.

      Gassho,

      Daitetsu

      #sat2day
      no thing needs to be added

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40966

        #18
        Originally posted by Daitetsu
        When Jundo replaced the Buddha statue with a vacuum cleaner during one of our zazenkais this was more "authentic zen" to me than the most formal ceremony with robes.
        (Which does not mean that I don't enjoy ceremonies.)
        I will never forget that moment.

        Gassho,

        Daitetsu

        #sat2day
        Okay. This week we will have a "Guest" Buddha in our Zazenkai again. You have inspired me.

        I don't think that I ever used a vacuum cleaner. You may be confusing it with the Dharma Talk I gave after my colon camera test (which, as you may remember, actually was part of saving me from cancer last year. Everybody, get tested!). The colonoscopy is a little more dreaded here in Japan, where no anesthesia is used and the patient is wide awake the whole time, unlike in the "put me to sleep" USA where I come from. Talk about an "Inner Enlightenment!"



        A little known fact is that the Buddha himself had a "personal physician" (Dr. Jivaka), and the odd middle-aged tummy troubles . ..

        The turning point in Jivaka's life came when Ananda came to fetch him to treat the Buddha who suffered from "blocked intestines" (constipation?).When Jivaka saw the condition of the patient, it occurred to him he might not survive a strong purgative. He then had fat rubbed into the Buddha's body and gave him a handful of lotuses to inhale the essence emanating from the flowers. Jīvaka was away when the mild purgative was later administered to the patient, and he suddenly remembered that he had omitted to ask him to bathe in warm water to complete the cure process. The Buddha, it is said, read his thoughts and bathed as required.( Vin.i.279f; DhA. ii.164f).


        (Later Buddhists often tried to discount the fact that the Buddha sometimes got sick in the old stories, by saying that he only was pretending as a way to teach or convert others to the Dharma; and it was in fact impossible for him to experience pain. But I don't know about that ... I rather like the image of a very human "Buddha" who would sometimes moan and groan with a bad stomach or backache.)
        I have sometimes replaced the "Buddha Statue" on our Altar in Tsukuba with a coke bottle, flower, empty space or a bag of dirty diapers. All beautiful, sacred, manifestations of Buddha when the heart is open.

        The only time I really ran into protest from folks was once, after 911, when I put up images of Bin Laden and George Bush, side by side, on the Altar with Mother Theresa (if I recall). That was harder for people to see as Buddha despite my explanation of how sometimes Buddha is harder to see. But, you know, what isn't the Buddha? And for me, if you think I degradate or insult the Buddha by replacing him(her) with a trash can, or that I raise up the trash can in praise, you miss the point I think. All of life is sacred, all the "Buddha" when seen as such. I take a Buddha statue as primarily a reMINDer, a symbol, like a Crucifix or Star of David, which reminds us of a "greater reality". At heart, it is just wood or stone. However, all wood and stones are sacred.

        This Zazenkai, we had an Enso, a Mercedes Benz ornament and a Peace Sign ...



        Of course, it takes a very Wise heart to see through ugly images in this world to the underlying Peace of Buddhism. Even a beautiful stone Buddha, on the other hand, could be used as a weapon in the hands of a person with an angry heart. All depends on the heart which sees.

        Gassho, J

        SatToday LAH
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Koki
          Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 318

          #19
          True words Jundo!

          Thank you
          Frank
          Satoday/LAH

          Sent from my VS995 using Tapatalk

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          • Daitetsu
            Member
            • Oct 2012
            • 1154

            #20
            Hi Jundo,

            Originally posted by Jundo
            I don't think that I ever used a vacuum cleaner.
            You did though:
            Zazenkai of December 15th, 2012 - unforgettable for me:




            Originally posted by Jundo
            Okay. This week we will have a "Guest" Buddha in our Zazenkai again. You have inspired me.
            Now I am excited (although in a very unattached way, of course)!

            Gassho,

            Daitetsu

            #sat2day
            Last edited by Daitetsu; 10-12-2018, 02:54 PM.
            no thing needs to be added

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40966

              #21
              Originally posted by Daitetsu
              Hi Jundo,

              You did though:
              I hope I didn't make the joke about "no attachments" ...

              Gassho, J

              STLah

              PS ~ How long did you spend looking for that?
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Daitetsu
                Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 1154

                #22
                Originally posted by Jundo
                PS ~ How long did you spend looking for that?
                Only about 10 minutes or so. I remembered this was at a zazenkai shortly after I joined Treeleaf, so I only had to browse through the zazenkai posts for one or two months (i.e. max. 8 posts).
                So it's not as freaky/geeky as it appears to be (at least I hope so).

                Gassho,

                Daitetsu

                #sat2day
                no thing needs to be added

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 40966

                  #23
                  Okay, we broke the rules on clothing today in our discussion of formal robes (I called "casual Friday" for our Zazenkai, clothing optional ... fortunately, nobody took me up on that last part ... ) ...

                  ... and we opened our minds widely to the real meaning of what is a "Buddha Statue" on our Altar ...

                  Our October 12th-13th Treeleaf Weekly Zazenkai - welcoming Trump Buddha

                  https://www.treeleaf.org/forums/show...g-Trump-Buddha



                  Please join us and sit along!

                  Gassho, Jundo

                  STLah
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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