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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40966

    Just Sayin'

    There are some questions that the Buddha is said to have refused to answer as not vital to his Teachings. These include ...

    Is the universe finite or infinite?

    Is the universe eternal or not eternal?

    (e.g., Cula-Malunkyovada Sutta: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipi....063.than.html)

    Whether the universe is finite or cyclic, big or small ... get back to chopping wood and cleaning the garage, each a universe unto itself and big job enough.

    On the other hand, certain Buddhist cosmologies, also attributed to the Buddha, are pretty wild ...

    [A]ltough no single sūtra sets out the entire structure of the universe; in several sūtras the Buddha describes other worlds and states of being, and other sutras describe the origin and destruction of the universe ...

    ... Buddhist temporal cosmology describes how the universe comes into being and is dissolved. Like other Indian cosmologies, it assumes an infinite span of time and is cyclical. This does not mean that the same events occur in identical form with each cycle, but merely that, as with the cycles of day and night or summer and winter, certain natural events occur over and over to give some structure to time.The basic unit of time measurement is the mahākalpa or “Great Eon” (Jpn: daigō). A mahākalpa is divided into four kalpas or “eons” (Jpn: kō), each distinguished from the others by the stage of evolution of the universe during that kalpa. The four kalpas are:

    – Vivartakalpa “Eon of evolution” – during this kalpa the universe comes into existence.

    – Vivartasthāyikalpa “Eon of evolution-duration” – during this kalpa the universe remains in existence in a steady state.

    – Saṃvartakalpa “Eon of dissolution” – during this kalpa the universe dissolves.

    – Saṃvartasthāyikalpa “Eon of dissolution-duration” – during this kalpa the universe remains in a state of emptiness.

    ... Originally, a kalpa was considered to be 4,320,000 years. Buddhist scholars expanded it with a metaphor: rub a one-mile cube of rock once every hundred years with a piece of silk, until the rock is worn away — and a kalpa still hasn’t passed! During a kalpa, the world comes into being, exists, is destroyed, and a period of emptiness ensues. Then it all starts again.

    [There is also spatial diversity, universes upon universes] ... A collection of one thousand [universes] are called a “thousandfold minor world-system” (culanika lokhadhatu). Or small chiliocosm. A collection of 1,000 times 1,000 world-systems (one thousand squared) is a “thousandfold to the second power middling world-system” (dvisahassi majjhima lokadhatu). Or medium dichiliocosm. The largest grouping, which consists of one thousand cubed world-systems, is called the “tisahassi mahasassi lokadhatu”. Or great trichiliocosm. The Tathagata, if he so wished, could effect his voice throughout a great trichiliocosm. He does so by suffusing the trichiliocosm with his radiance, which at the point the inhabitants of those world-system will perceive this light, and then proceeds to extend his voice throughout that realm.
    I just mention this in passing, as this was reported in the science news today ...

    Cosmic 'hotspots' may be evidence of a universe that existed before ours

    Scientists agree that the story of the universe began 13.8 billion years ago, when everything — all the matter and energy and even space itself — emerged from the extraordinarily hot, dense cauldron known as the Big Bang.

    But ask a scientist what came before that first moment, and you’re likely to get a shrug. To many, thinking about a time before the beginning of time makes no sense.

    Roger Penrose isn’t one of them. For more than a decade, the University of Oxford physicist has been honing his theory that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the universe but merely a single stage in an eternal cycle of creation and recreation. And now he claims he has the evidence to back it up.

    In a new paper posted to the preprint library arXiv, Penrose and two collaborators report that they've identified strange hotspots of energy in the sky, located at the edge of the observable universe. Standard cosmology doesn’t predict these features. Cyclic cosmology does.

    “I originally put this model out there as an outrageous scheme, a crazy scheme,” Penrose confesses — and some of his colleagues readily agree with that assessment. “I am highly skeptical of cyclic cosmologies no matter what flavor they come in,” Caltech physicist Sean Carroll said in a blog post, reflecting a common sentiment.

    Penrose points to the sky itself as his rebuttal. If he's right, the cosmic hotspots are relics of a universe that existed before our own. That would utterly change the way we think about the universe's origins and ultimate fate. “In cyclic cosmology,” he says, “there is no beginning, and nothing is lost."
    Anyway, I'm just saying. Now, need to get back to cleaning the garage.

    Gassho, J

    SatTodayLAH
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Koki
    Member
    • Apr 2017
    • 318

    #2
    J,
    Chop wood...good.
    Clean garage...good.
    Universe...is what it is, no worries.

    Got it

    Gassho
    Frank
    Satoday

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    • Eishuu

      #3
      Makes sense to me that the universe would be cyclical. Just shows how much we don't know.

      Gassho
      Eishuu
      ST/LAH

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      • Horin
        Member
        • Dec 2017
        • 385

        #4
        The universe seems to be the perfect manifestation of emptiness with all its appearances. It contents everything, the earth with its sentient beings, thoughts, emotions, rocks, conflicts, friendships, love, trees, planets, moons, space, black matter, white matter, black holes...all that unknown stuff, ... its all what is including the paradoxes e.g. the quantum physics... its vast pure potential..
        and in zazen those "borders" of me and not me, thoughts and all this stuff can drop or be recognized as just expression of the universe and we may experience this oneness/equality with it


        Gassho, ben

        Stlah
        Last edited by Horin; 09-15-2018, 11:37 AM.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40966

          #5
          Ben, that was nice.
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • lorax
            Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 381

            #6


            SAT TODAY
            Shozan

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            • Horin
              Member
              • Dec 2017
              • 385

              #7
              Thank you roshi ()

              Stlah

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              • Tairin
                Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 2919

                #8
                The more I practice the more it just seems to come down to some basics
                1. Sit Zazen daily
                2. Follow the Precepts to the best of my ability.
                3. Chop wood and carry water for the benefit of all sentient beings



                Tairin
                Sat today
                泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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                • Rich
                  Member
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 2615

                  #9
                  Thanks jundo for the sutta

                  "And what is declared by me? 'This is stress,' is declared by me. 'This is the origination of stress,' is declared by me. 'This is the cessation of stress,' is declared by me. 'This is the path of practice leading to the cessation of stress,' is declared by me. And why are they declared by me? Because they are connected with the goal, are fundamental to the holy life. They lead to disenchantment, dispassion, cessation, calming, direct knowledge, self-awakening, Unbinding. That's why they are declared by me.

                  "So, Malunkyaputta, remember what is undeclared by me as undeclared, and what is declared by me as declared."

                  SAT today

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                  Rich
                  MUHYO
                  無 (MU, Emptiness) and 氷 (HYO, Ice) ... Emptiness Ice ...

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                  • Jishin
                    Member
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 4821

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jundo



                    Anyway, I'm just saying. Now, need to get back to cleaning the garage.

                    Gassho, J

                    SatTodayLAH
                    I'll pay you you to clean mine. How much?[emoji3]

                    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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                    • Ryushi
                      Member
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 185

                      #11
                      I'll pay you you to clean mine. How much?
                      Even if Jundo does it for free, you have to factor in roundtrip airfare to/from Japan. Worth it? But, I haven't seen your garage.


                      No merit. Vast emptiness; nothing holy. I don't know.

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                      • Eishuu

                        #12
                        I realise I completely missed the point of this post -- fluey brain! I will continue to drop wood and spill water (the disabled person's equivalent - can't remember where I read that).

                        Gassho
                        Eishuu
                        ST/LAH

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                        • Shugen
                          Member
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 4532

                          #13
                          Drop wood and spill water


                          Shugen

                          Sattoday/LAH
                          Meido Shugen
                          明道 修眼

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                          • Seishin
                            Member
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 1522

                            #14
                            I like the idea of multiverses but this cyclic creation is also cool. Less big bang than a ripple of timeless bubbles. Any way the wood pile is calling. Chop Water carry wood, drop water spill wood, just as long as its not on my darned toes.


                            Seishin

                            Sei - Meticulous
                            Shin - Heart

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                            • Meitou
                              Member
                              • Feb 2017
                              • 1656

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Seishin
                              Chop Water carry wood, drop water spill wood, just as long as its not on my darned toes.


                              Gassho
                              Meitou
                              satwithyoualltoday/lah/chopped garlic, spilt water
                              命 Mei - life
                              島 Tou - island

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