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  • Meian
    Member
    • Apr 2015
    • 1720

    creative insights during zazen?

    Hi,

    Since I have been experimenting with the scheduled sits and found them helpful (even with fidgeting and all my issues), I've noticed something. During brief periods where I am able to quiet my body enough to "just sit" -- thoughts pop up, sort of, but they are more like insights. Not intrusive, like they don't run down the rabbit hole, but it's like the creative process that I am used to. Usually it is so noisy in my mind and life that these insights pop up but get drowned out in the commotion of daily life.

    But during these sessions I've been doing, even chaotic, it's easier for me to notice them and have a chance of registering them -- like, yes, that makes sense, and let it go. But since it fits and it's quiet, I'm less likely to lose it, so I don't have to "think" on it, it just becomes part of the scenery of my mind. Then later on, when I go to work on that project, the insight is already there. I hope that makes sense.

    I've seen this happen already. For instance, I just started a remote job (online) as an ESL tutor. This sort of came out of nowhere, but little by little the pieces fell into place, and in my meditation sessions I started seeing what was needed, and what should be improved. I didn't grasp on it, it just became part of my mental landscape. So I started making those changes. Yesterday, I had my first student. By last night, I created my first lesson. This morning, insights on what changes were needed, and other lessons to create, with the needs of students in mind. Again, I didn't grasp -- the insights appeared, then left, but became part of the landscape.

    My question -- is this normal for zazen? Or is this not zazen, but just a creative meditation or vipassana I stumbled into without realizing it. Since I practice both Zen and various forms of Tibetan, I am not trying to cross forms here, but I want to determine what I am working with. I'm not sure at this time if this is a normal occurence when someone "just sits" for insights to come up in this way.

    But it is very helpful, regardless

    Gassho
    kim
    st lh
    鏡道 |​ Kyodo (Meian) | "Mirror of the Way"
    visiting Unsui
    Nothing I say is a teaching, it's just my own opinion.
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40770

    #2
    Hi Kim,

    Yes, it is normal. The quiet has the effect of letting the mind cough up some good ideas and solutions to problems.

    But them put them aside, think about them after sitting. I recommend to return to just sitting.

    By the way, not every idea that pops up in Zazen is a good one! I have had dumb ideas pop up too.

    Gassho, Jundo

    SatTodayLAH
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Meian
      Member
      • Apr 2015
      • 1720

      #3
      Thank you, Jundo, I will. [emoji120]

      Yes, I have plenty of dumb thoughts also -- those are more challenging to let go of for some reason? But I do try to set all aside -- trick is remembering to. [emoji4]

      Glad to know I have remained within one practice this time.

      Also, other than some adjustments to lupus medications and more tests (and yet another specialist added [emoji58]), I am happy to report that my doctor is happy with my treatment plan so far.

      She was also pleased when I described the scheduled zazen sessions I've been practicing and how they are helping. She never heard of an online sangha before, but she liked the idea and asked me to keep her updated on zazen's effects on my symptoms. I know there is no goal or purpose to "just sitting," but I have also noticed changes that are beyond coincidence now. So I sit without purpose or goal, but notice the effects as well. When it helps me be more functional and cognizant in daily living, that also matters to me. ♡

      Gassho
      Kim
      St lh

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      鏡道 |​ Kyodo (Meian) | "Mirror of the Way"
      visiting Unsui
      Nothing I say is a teaching, it's just my own opinion.

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      • Mp

        #4
        Originally posted by Jundo
        By the way, not every idea that pops up in Zazen is a good one! I have had dumb ideas pop up too.
        You and me both Jundo!

        But Jundo also puts it nicely, just let those things be until after zazen. I find that a lot of stuff can come up because we don't have the everyday things to interfere ... we are just there, so it may seems like more is happening. Things come and things go - it is a funny thing, but impermanence is not just for the things around us, but can also be the thoughts between our ears. =)

        Gassho
        Shingen

        Sat/LAH

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        • Myogan
          Member
          • Aug 2015
          • 375

          #5
          The monkey mind never stops, but sometimes they write Shakespear.

          Gassho
          Sat/lah
          Marc Connery
          明岩
          Myo̅ Gan - Bright Cliff

          I put the Monkey in Monkeymind

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          • Tairin
            Member
            • Feb 2016
            • 2864

            #6
            Hi Kim.

            I think the creative ideas and thoughts are always with us but maybe it is only when we slow down enough that we notice them. Otherwise they get lost in a stream of activity. I liked this from our last book “Living by Vow”

            Our mind often seems busier than usual when we sit in a quiet place. In fact, our body and mind are busier and noisier in everyday life, but since our environment is also noisy, we don’t notice the commotion inside ourselves. When we come to a quiet place, however, we hear even the smallest noise. When we sit in the zendo, we can hear the sound of the clock. The sounds our bodies make, coming from within us, become more noticeable, and it seems that our mind is noisier than usual. I think that’s a good sign of our practice. We hear this noise because our mind is beginning to calm down. Of course, we should let go of the internal noise. We should neither cling to nor try to escape from the noise. We should just be awake and let it go. Let all thoughts, feelings, and daydreams simply come and go freely. Everything is moving; nothing stays forever. Just let everything be with you.
            It seems life is getting busier and busier. There seems to be little value given to down time and heaven forbid anyone is left with nothing but their own thoughts.


            Tairin
            Sat today
            泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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            • Shinshou
              Member
              • May 2017
              • 251

              #7
              I try to reinforce to my kids the value of being bored. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not equating sitting with boredom (although I do experience boredom sometimes when I sit...and joy, and compassion, and anger, and everything else), but the creative process is easier to jump into when the mind is allowed to do its things in a non-judgmental inner environment.

              Ever feel like you come up with your best ideas while daydreaming in the shower? Well, that's because you do.



              Shinshou
              Sat Today

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 40770

                #8
                Originally posted by Shinshou
                I try to reinforce to my kids the value of being bored. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not equating sitting with boredom (although I do experience boredom sometimes when I sit...and joy, and compassion, and anger, and everything else), but the creative process is easier to jump into when the mind is allowed to do its things in a non-judgmental inner environment.

                Ever feel like you come up with your best ideas while daydreaming in the shower? Well, that's because you do.



                Shinshou
                Sat Today
                Oh, for sure.

                And not only that, but kids and adults these days are overstimulated ... games, smart phones, internet (apart from Zazen internet! ), TV. The brain is easily bored when that is pulled away.

                Our ancestors, just a couple of generations back, knew how to sit at night around the fire, look at the stars, talk to each other and sit quietly alone.

                There is a time for each. Good ideas and creativity can come from all such times. However, we should not lose the skill to just be quiet and still.

                Gassho, J

                SatTodayLAH
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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