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  • Kokuu
    Dharma Transmitted Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6884

    Bodhidharma and Huike: how much are you willing to give?

    Jundo wishes it to be noted that this is the work of a recently ordained novice priest and, as such, is not to be taken as a teaching but a personal reflection. Please take these words with a large grain of salt.


    A while ago I wrote this haiku:

    fallen branch
    the second ancestor stands
    before Daruma


    This alludes to a famous incident which is supposed to have happened between Bodhidharma (Daruma) the man said to have brought Buddhism to China, and his student and dharma successor, Huike. Since Bodhidharma was the first person to teach the way of Ch’an, he is called the first Zen patriarch. As his successor, Huike is the second patriarch or ancestor. There are six great Zen ancestors, the third, fourth, fifth and sixth being Sengcan, Daoxin, Hongren and Huineng, respectively.

    After a not so great meeting with Emperor Wu, Bodhidharma is said to have headed to a Shaolin monastery in southern China. Refused entry, he spent the next nine years meditating facing the wall in a nearby cave.

    Huike (then called Shen-kuang) was a great scholar both of Buddhist and Taoist texts but realised he needed a teacher to go deeper. He found Bodhidharma in his cave and, standing up to his waist in snow, asked to be taught. Bodhidharma refused to teach him initially and left Huike out in the cold, probably wondering what he had to do for Bodhidharma to acknowledge him.

    In order to prove his seriousness, Huike is said to have cut off one of his arms and hand it to Bodhidharma, at which point the first ancestor agrees to take him on as a student. My haiku verse uses the phrase ‘fallen branch’ to refer to Huike’s severed limb as well as the fact that both Bodhidharma and Zen itself have fallen away from the main trunk of Indian Buddhism.

    I had not thought about the story in a while until I came across this picture in D T Suzuki’s second volume of Essays in Zen Buddhism:

    'Huike Offering His Arm to Bodhidharma’ by Sesshū Tōyō, 1496

    Suzuki’s commentary on the picture notes that while some historians doubt the reality of this event happening, the story of Huike’s arm was already in circulation in the seventh century rather than being a later invention. Tao-hsüan wrote in Biographies of Eminent Priests in 645, that he believed that Huike lost his arm during an attack by a highwayman.

    Having a knowledge of modern historical research we know that accounts of religious figures tend to be more hagiography than biography or, at the very least, embellished to a large degree. Whether or not they actually happened, Zen stories are designed to convey a truth about life and practice. So, what is this tale about?

    Can you imagine being so desperate to practice that you willingly cut off your own arm? For Huike, the thought of going away from Bodhidharma without being accepted as a student was so great that this is the path he took.

    In modern Zen, a teacher is highly unlikely to be so demanding, yet students are still forced to wait outside of Eiheiji and Sojiji temples in Japan to test their resolve. Do they really have the determination to practice or just an idea that they might like to be a Zen master?

    In our practice we all make sacrifices. At the very least this will be the time it takes to sit daily, almost certainly some money to buy a zafu, books and go on retreat, and very likely changing our ethical behaviour to accord with the Buddha way and Bodhisattva vows.

    Cutting off your own arm to demonstrate your dedication seems too far for most of us yet we may have willingly transformed the direction of our life in the pursuit of Zen practice. Is this any less of a sacrifice?

    Probably, what we have been willing to give has increased incrementally, beginning with a few minutes set aside for practice and then time to study the precepts, buying material to sew a rakusu and learning how to do that, joining in with discussions and three months of Ango and so forth. Hopefully, these are all sacrifices we are willing to make but sometimes they conflict with other demands on our life – demands of family, things we want, socialising with friends, being able to gossip freely and engage in behaviour that is less than ethical. What do we do at those moments? Do we go back to old ways because it is easier or acknowledge the sacrifice we are being asked to make to follow our heart?

    For me, what the story of Huike and Bodhidharma is asking is when the chips are down and push comes to shove, how much are we willing to give up to practice Zen and be true to ourselves – time, money, conflict, an arm or even your life?
  • Jishin
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 4821

    #2
    Bodhidharma and Huike: how much are you willing to give?

    I don’t think it’s a matter of giving but a matter of contentment with what one gives. The right amount manifests itself all by itself when sitting. The point is mute.

    Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
    Last edited by Jishin; 10-15-2017, 04:45 PM.

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    • Jakuden
      Member
      • Jun 2015
      • 6141

      #3
      Originally posted by Kokuu
      Jundo wishes it to be noted that this is the work of a recently ordained novice priest and, as such, is not to be taken as a teaching but a personal reflection. Please take these words with a large grain of salt.


      A while ago I wrote this haiku:

      fallen branch
      the second ancestor stands
      before Daruma


      This alludes to a famous incident which is supposed to have happened between Bodhidharma (Daruma) the man said to have brought Buddhism to China, and his student and dharma successor, Huike. Since Bodhidharma was the first person to teach the way of Ch’an, he is called the first Zen patriarch. As his successor, Huike is the second patriarch or ancestor. There are six great Zen ancestors, the third, fourth, fifth and sixth being Sengcan, Daoxin, Hongren and Huineng, respectively.

      After a not so great meeting with Emperor Wu, Bodhidharma is said to have headed to a Shaolin monastery in southern China. Refused entry, he spent the next nine years meditating facing the wall in a nearby cave.

      Huike (then called Shen-kuang) was a great scholar both of Buddhist and Taoist texts but realised he needed a teacher to go deeper. He found Bodhidharma in his cave and, standing up to his waist in snow, asked to be taught. Bodhidharma refused to teach him initially and left Huike out in the cold, probably wondering what he had to do for Bodhidharma to acknowledge him.

      In order to prove his seriousness, Huike is said to have cut off one of his arms and hand it to Bodhidharma, at which point the first ancestor agrees to take him on as a student. My haiku verse uses the phrase ‘fallen branch’ to refer to Huike’s severed limb as well as the fact that both Bodhidharma and Zen itself have fallen away from the main trunk of Indian Buddhism.

      I had not thought about the story in a while until I came across this picture in D T Suzuki’s second volume of Essays in Zen Buddhism:

      'Huike Offering His Arm to Bodhidharma’ by Sesshū Tōyō, 1496

      Suzuki’s commentary on the picture notes that while some historians doubt the reality of this event happening, the story of Huike’s arm was already in circulation in the seventh century rather than being a later invention. Tao-hsüan wrote in Biographies of Eminent Priests in 645, that he believed that Huike lost his arm during an attack by a highwayman.

      Having a knowledge of modern historical research we know that accounts of religious figures tend to be more hagiography than biography or, at the very least, embellished to a large degree. Whether or not they actually happened, Zen stories are designed to convey a truth about life and practice. So, what is this tale about?

      Can you imagine being so desperate to practice that you willingly cut off your own arm? For Huike, the thought of going away from Bodhidharma without being accepted as a student was so great that this is the path he took.

      In modern Zen, a teacher is highly unlikely to be so demanding, yet students are still forced to wait outside of Eiheiji and Sojiji temples in Japan to test their resolve. Do they really have the determination to practice or just an idea that they might like to be a Zen master?

      In our practice we all make sacrifices. At the very least this will be the time it takes to sit daily, almost certainly some money to buy a zafu, books and go on retreat, and very likely changing our ethical behaviour to accord with the Buddha way and Bodhisattva vows.

      Cutting off your own arm to demonstrate your dedication seems too far for most of us yet we may have willingly transformed the direction of our life in the pursuit of Zen practice. Is this any less of a sacrifice?

      Probably, what we have been willing to give has increased incrementally, beginning with a few minutes set aside for practice and then time to study the precepts, buying material to sew a rakusu and learning how to do that, joining in with discussions and three months of Ango and so forth. Hopefully, these are all sacrifices we are willing to make but sometimes they conflict with other demands on our life – demands of family, things we want, socialising with friends, being able to gossip freely and engage in behaviour that is less than ethical. What do we do at those moments? Do we go back to old ways because it is easier or acknowledge the sacrifice we are being asked to make to follow our heart?

      For me, what the story of Huike and Bodhidharma is asking is when the chips are down and push comes to shove, how much are we willing to give up to practice Zen and be true to ourselves – time, money, conflict, an arm or even your life?
      Lovely Kokuu! [emoji120] I discussed this Koan a bit with Yukon from ZMM, while we were in the car on the way to get my fingertip stitched up [emoji38] See, I was ready to make the sacrifice!

      Your haiku, as usual, is beautiful and perfect! For years, before I felt I could look real practice in the eye, I would consider Joko Beck, asking questions like whether I would be okay with losing a limb... or my home, etc. I could not answer yes to those questions, so I felt that I would probably be a bad Buddhist.

      Anyway, I can't say I wouldn't have a difficult time with any of those things now, but I am more confident that I would eventually be okay... that is the leap of faith I take in this practice. Ever since Shokai quoted Desiderata, I keep remembering that "the Universe is unfolding as it should."

      Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

      Gassho
      Jakuden
      SatToday/LAH


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      • Ishin
        Member
        • Jul 2013
        • 1359

        #4
        Hmmmm I like your Haiku, Kokuu. Certainly there is something in loosing one's limb that represents letting go of your self. It's probably impossible to know if this literally or symbolically happened. For me, what I have come to and am beginning to realize is that holding onto our old "self", unwholesome behavior and habits is what truly causes the real suffering. Of course our ego may not want to accept that, but things that seem pleasurable and fun or exciting eventually pass and never leave one satisfied and often with regret.

        If we are not okay with loosing our limb, our home, etc. then perhaps we had better practice. Is not everything impermanent? Are we not going to loose them all eventually anyway? My wife and I went shopping for new furniture in a room that desperately needs it. One sales associate said that their products used to have a lifetime guarantee, but that the government stopped allowing those because no company could assure that they would indeed be in business for one person's lifetime.

        When we look through the lens of time it is clear that everything fades. May we be at peace.

        Gassho
        Ishin
        Sat Today. LAH
        Grateful for your practice

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        • Shokai
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Mar 2009
          • 6433

          #5
          so I felt that I would probably be a bad Buddhist.
          There are no good or bad Buddhists; there are just human beings doing there best to do no harm, live a good life and help others.

          gassho, Shokai
          sat/LAH
          合掌,生開
          gassho, Shokai

          仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

          "Open to life in a benevolent way"

          https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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          • Byokan
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Apr 2014
            • 4284

            #6
            Beautiful, thanks for this, Kokuu. I hadn’t thought about this story for a while either, it’s nice to take a fresh look.

            It goes to the heart of practice, I think. And what Ishin says really rings my bell. The fact is, we can't hold onto our old "self", or anyone, or anything. It is delusion to believe otherwise.

            I read this as a story of sacrifice, of determination to practice, but now I’m also seeing renunciation in it. When Huike cuts off his arm and offers it to Bodhidharma, maybe he's not doing it to show his dedication, or to prove how far he's willing to go, how much he's willing to suffer, or what he's willing to give up. What if he's doing it to demonstrate that he has seen the nature of reality... and he understands deeply that “his” arm was never his to begin with? And, at the same time, he's saying that he knows he can never lose that arm. Huike comes to Bodhidharma ready to practice, but Bodhidharma is testing him, doubting his sincerity, or just playing hard to get. When Huike cuts off his arm, it seems to me that he cuts right through all that resistance. He offers this to Bodhidharma, and they truly meet face-to-face in that moment of acceptance of the way things are; that moment of renunciation.

            Being willing to let go of something precious, or to hold it with an open hand and heart, is to live in accordance with reality. We don't have to give things and people away, willy-nilly, to prove any point. Please, don’t anyone cut off your arm! But to realize in our hearts and minds, in our bones, that we don't own anything or anyone -- not even our own bodies, not even our own lives -- is the beginning of freedom. We can learn to love without grasping. We can learn to have (or to lose) "our" home and "our" things with less attachment. When the hard times come, as they will for all of us, we can find equanimity and even joy in the midst of the struggle. We learn to accept the changes and challenges of life with grace. And in renouncing our claim, in accepting reality as it is, we discover the boundlessness that was always there, obscured by our deluded and grasping habits.

            Shunryu Suzuki defined it perfectly, very simply: "Renunciation is not giving up the things of the world, but accepting that they go away."

            And in this going away is a never-going-away. In wholeheartedly giving up my arm, I receive the body that is never maimed, that never dies. In giving up my grasping and jealous love, I swim in the vast love that holds all the universe together. In giving up my attachment to my few worldly goods, I find abundance. In giving up my small idea of “self”, I realize my true nature which is all-encompassing.

            What comes after that moment of renunciation? Do we keep chopping off limbs? Put down the hacksaw, there’s no need. What comes after is a lifetime of practice. The vows we take affirm the truth and our intention to live within it.

            It’s interesting, if you look at the story from this angle, to wonder why Huike wants so much to connect with Bodhidharma. If Huike has glimpsed the truth, why does he need a teacher? Why not go off and practice what he knows, in his own time and way? I think it's about the need for Sangha. It’s not enough to glimpse the truth. We need to real-ize it with others, we need their support for when the vision falters. We need the companionship and encouragement of others who perceive the world in a similar way, and have a little experience and wisdom to share. And we need the challenge of practicing with others to keep us from falling into a self-satisfied zen dream. Huike needs Bodhidharma, and Bodhidharma needs Huike, and there you have a Sangha. Jundo’s wife told us at the end of our Orlando Retreat, “It is the students that make the Teacher.” Likewise, it’s the Sangha that makes the practitioner. This story speaks to me about renunciation and taking refuge. Perfect for Ango & Jukai season!

            Of course I could be reading it all wrong. I’m looking through “baby Unsui glasses” and bringing all my own nonsense to it. Please pass the salt, I’m only rambling, as ever.

            Q:What am I willing to give up, to practice zen and be true to myself?
            A: Nothing. I don't own anything to give up. So, everything.

            Gassho
            Byōkan
            sat + lah
            展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
            Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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            • Ishin
              Member
              • Jul 2013
              • 1359

              #7
              Originally posted by Byokan
              Shunryu Suzuki defined it perfectly, very simply: "Renunciation is not giving up the things of the world, but accepting that they go away."



              Of course I could be reading it all wrong. I’m looking through “baby Unsui glasses” and bringing all my own nonsense to it. Please pass the salt, I’m only rambling, as ever.


              Gassho
              Byōkan
              sat + lah
              I love this Susuki quote. Byokan even if you are all wrong, I think this is awesome!

              Gassho
              Ishin
              SAT/Lah
              Grateful for your practice

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              • Kokuu
                Dharma Transmitted Priest
                • Nov 2012
                • 6884

                #8
                I read this as a story of sacrifice, of determination to practice, but now I’m also seeing renunciation in it. When Huike cuts off his arm and offers it to Bodhidharma, maybe he's not doing it to show his dedication, or to prove how far he's willing to go, how much he's willing to suffer, or what he's willing to give up. What if he's doing it to demonstrate that he has seen the nature of reality... and he understands deeply that “his” arm was never his to begin with? And, at the same time, he's saying that he knows he can never lose that arm.
                I think you are right and have cut righ to the heart of the story. Since I wrote it, I have had this nagging feeling of its dualistic nature.

                Giver, receiver and gift are all one. There is nothing to give and nothing to take.


                It’s interesting, if you look at the story from this angle, to wonder why Huike wants so much to connect with Bodhidharma. If Huike has glimpsed the truth, why does he need a teacher?
                The one problem with Huike already being realised is that the next part of the story has Huike asking Bodhidharma to pacify his mind. Bodhidharma asks him to bring it to him and when Huike replies that he cannot, the realisation is made.

                It may be that the story combines two teachings that do not fit harmoniously into a single narrative.

                Gassho
                Kokuu
                Last edited by Kokuu; 10-16-2017, 09:29 AM.

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                • Jakuden
                  Member
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 6141

                  #9
                  Beautifully put, Byokan, as usual :-)

                  Gassho,Jakuden
                  SatToday/LAH

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                  • Mp

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Byokan
                    Beautiful, thanks for this, Kokuu. I hadn’t thought about this story for a while either, it’s nice to take a fresh look.

                    It goes to the heart of practice, I think. And what Ishin says really rings my bell. The fact is, we can't hold onto our old "self", or anyone, or anything. It is delusion to believe otherwise.

                    I read this as a story of sacrifice, of determination to practice, but now I’m also seeing renunciation in it. When Huike cuts off his arm and offers it to Bodhidharma, maybe he's not doing it to show his dedication, or to prove how far he's willing to go, how much he's willing to suffer, or what he's willing to give up. What if he's doing it to demonstrate that he has seen the nature of reality... and he understands deeply that “his” arm was never his to begin with? And, at the same time, he's saying that he knows he can never lose that arm. Huike comes to Bodhidharma ready to practice, but Bodhidharma is testing him, doubting his sincerity, or just playing hard to get. When Huike cuts off his arm, it seems to me that he cuts right through all that resistance. He offers this to Bodhidharma, and they truly meet face-to-face in that moment of acceptance of the way things are; that moment of renunciation.

                    Being willing to let go of something precious, or to hold it with an open hand and heart, is to live in accordance with reality. We don't have to give things and people away, willy-nilly, to prove any point. Please, don’t anyone cut off your arm! But to realize in our hearts and minds, in our bones, that we don't own anything or anyone -- not even our own bodies, not even our own lives -- is the beginning of freedom. We can learn to love without grasping. We can learn to have (or to lose) "our" home and "our" things with less attachment. When the hard times come, as they will for all of us, we can find equanimity and even joy in the midst of the struggle. We learn to accept the changes and challenges of life with grace. And in renouncing our claim, in accepting reality as it is, we discover the boundlessness that was always there, obscured by our deluded and grasping habits.

                    Shunryu Suzuki defined it perfectly, very simply: "Renunciation is not giving up the things of the world, but accepting that they go away."

                    And in this going away is a never-going-away. In wholeheartedly giving up my arm, I receive the body that is never maimed, that never dies. In giving up my grasping and jealous love, I swim in the vast love that holds all the universe together. In giving up my attachment to my few worldly goods, I find abundance. In giving up my small idea of “self”, I realize my true nature which is all-encompassing.

                    What comes after that moment of renunciation? Do we keep chopping off limbs? Put down the hacksaw, there’s no need. What comes after is a lifetime of practice. The vows we take affirm the truth and our intention to live within it.

                    It’s interesting, if you look at the story from this angle, to wonder why Huike wants so much to connect with Bodhidharma. If Huike has glimpsed the truth, why does he need a teacher? Why not go off and practice what he knows, in his own time and way? I think it's about the need for Sangha. It’s not enough to glimpse the truth. We need to real-ize it with others, we need their support for when the vision falters. We need the companionship and encouragement of others who perceive the world in a similar way, and have a little experience and wisdom to share. And we need the challenge of practicing with others to keep us from falling into a self-satisfied zen dream. Huike needs Bodhidharma, and Bodhidharma needs Huike, and there you have a Sangha. Jundo’s wife told us at the end of our Orlando Retreat, “It is the students that make the Teacher.” Likewise, it’s the Sangha that makes the practitioner. This story speaks to me about renunciation and taking refuge. Perfect for Ango & Jukai season!

                    Of course I could be reading it all wrong. I’m looking through “baby Unsui glasses” and bringing all my own nonsense to it. Please pass the salt, I’m only rambling, as ever.

                    Q:What am I willing to give up, to practice zen and be true to myself?
                    A: Nothing. I don't own anything to give up. So, everything.

                    Gassho
                    Byōkan
                    sat + lah

                    Very nice Byokan, very nice. =)

                    Gassho
                    Shingen

                    Sat/LAH

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                    • Byokan
                      Senior Priest-in-Training
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 4284

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kokuu
                      The one problem with Huike already being realised is that the next part of the story has Huike asking Bodhidharma to pacify his mind. Bodhidharma asks him to bring it to him and when Huike replies that he cannot, the realisation is made.

                      It may be that the story combines two teachings that do not fit harmoniously into a single narrative.

                      Gassho
                      Kokuu
                      Haha, yes, I'm probably really reaching on this one! Renunciation is very much on my mind(heart) these days. This is how books and songs and things can have such different meanings to us at different times in our life; we bring so much with us and it filters our perception. We overlay our preconceived notions onto things. You've given me a good reminder to "empty the cup" as much as possible!

                      I will say, however, that if Huike is anything like me, he gets a flashing glimpse of the truth one day, and then falls right back into old habits of mind the next. Ah well, this is the practice.

                      Your question -- "Do they really have the determination to practice or just an idea that they might like to be a Zen master?" is one that I think we all come to eventually, if we hang around long enough. Jakuden talks about the years before she could "look real practice in the eye". I sure can relate to that. Little by little, the fear of authentic practice falls away, and the determination to practice -- the sacrifice -- becomes truly joyful.

                      Gassho
                      Byōkan
                      sat + lah
                      Last edited by Byokan; 10-16-2017, 05:26 PM.
                      展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
                      Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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                      • Jika
                        Member
                        • Jun 2014
                        • 1337

                        #12
                        Nice, Kokuu!
                        I'm happy you posted it here too.

                        And look, the other "kids" do beautiful things once the sand is in the sandbox

                        Says a person who is struggling with sewing one-handed.
                        Sh... kite, I am definitely not liking this Huike.

                        But then, I'm as enlightened as a 5-legged cockroach.

                        Gassho,
                        Jika
                        sattoday, lah (one)
                        治 Ji
                        花 Ka

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                        • Shinshou
                          Member
                          • May 2017
                          • 251

                          #13
                          I would rather keep both my arms than lose one. Sure, I’d be “okay” if I did (as well as not okay), but as Jundo says, all things are impermanent but there’s no need to hurry things along.

                          Dan
                          Sat today


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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 40809

                            #14
                            Just to note again, the whole story of Hui-ke's cutting off his arm is certainly apocryphal. First, he would have bled to death absent some miracle (although such miracles were often found in these old legends too). It was also probably borrowed from the biography of another Zen fellow of the time who lost his arm to robbers.

                            Read a few pages from middle of p. 136 here ... to start of 142.

                            This book offers a provocative rereading of the early history of Chan Buddhism (Zen). Working from a history-of-religions point of view that asks how and why certain literary tropes were chosen to depict the essence of the Buddhist tradition to Chinese readers, this analysis focuses on the narrative logics of the early Chan genealogies—the seventh-and eighth-century lineage texts that claimed that certain high-profile Chinese men were descendents of Bodhidharma and the Buddha. This book argues that early Chan's image of the perfect-master-who-owns-tradition was constructed for reasons that have little to do with Buddhist practice, new styles of enlightened wisdom, or "orthodoxy," and much more to do with politics, property, geography, and, of course, new forms of writing.


                            But, whatever, the case, the story stands for students who are dedicated and willing to make sacrifices.

                            Gassho, J

                            SatTodaylah
                            Last edited by Jundo; 12-24-2017, 03:42 AM.
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                            • Chishou
                              Member
                              • Aug 2017
                              • 204

                              #15
                              Bodhidharma and Huike: how much are you willing to give?

                              Originally posted by Jundo
                              Just to note again, the whole story of Hui-ke's cutting off his arm is certainly apocryphal.
                              Not necessarily. Arteries are very elastic and are under constant stretch and pressure. If his arm was completely lopped off (100% medical term) the arteries would contract and spasm causing them to close resulting in a very survivable injury. This would only have last an hour or so before they would have started to relax and leak, if a decent clot hadn’t formed by then he would have bleed out (medical term). He probably would have died of an infection.

                              I propose an alternative theory, Huike used ones of those knives magicians use in shows to make it look like he his cutting his arm off.

                              The Great Simondo
                              Sat



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