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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39983

    Research on a "Differently Enabled Ancestors List" - Volunteers

    Dear All,

    In various Zen Ceremonies, we recite a list of the "Zen Ancestors" (sometimes called "Zen Patriarchs"), stretching from the Buddha through Bodhidharma, Dogen, to modern times. For various cultural reasons, the list is exclusively a boy's club.



    In recent years, to recognize the roll of great Women in Buddhism and Zen, a "Women Ancestors Lineage" has been created (we will recite and honor this during our upcoming San Francisco Retreat) ...

    A quiet movement to reshape our understanding of Zen lineage and history is bringing attention to the forgotten names and voices of women in the tradition.


    I have now proposed to the Soto Zen Buddhist Association (SZBA, a group of many Soto Zen Teachers primarily in North America) a "Differently Enabled Ancestors List" of figures from the Buddhist past who practiced and taught from various disabilities, a list similar to the Women's Ancestor List. I am thinking that such a Differently Abled Lineage might become the centerpiece of a special Ceremony or periodic recitation to accompany the core Lineage or Female Lineage.

    Unfortunately, in Traditional Buddhism (and even today), people with physical disabilities were sometimes prevented from Ordination for many cultural reasons, including a seeming inability to participate in the great physical demands of monastic life. For example, Ajahn Brahmavamso says this on Vinaya standards in many traditional Buddhist societies ...

    There are others still who should not be ordained, although if they are ordained by mistake their ordination is valid. These include: one with infectious diseases, a slave, one escaped from jail, one known to be wanted by the police, one with unpaid debts, one in the 'King's Service' (e.g. a soldier), one maimed, deformed, disabled or very old (meaning to the extent that it is impractical to perform the duties of monastic life).

    I believe that the main point was simply that disability would interfere with monastic life, study and its many physical requirements.

    Our Sangha particularly is looking at Training of those who, because of physical restrictions, cannot engage in a standard course of training ... cannot bow or climb steps or move fast for a Ceremony ... but who are excellent individuals with much to teach in the aid of other Sentient Beings, and who will make excellent Priests with reasonable accommodations to what they can do. I think that the "Differently Enabled Ancestors List" is a worthy project for those who were shut out of, or faced impossible obstacles, to Buddhist Training in the past.

    Some folks from the SZBA have suggested that we take the lead on a first draft of such a list. If anyone is interested, please let me know. Perhaps the criteria would be figures, both legendary and historical, who are known to have had physical disabilities which did not prevent their engagement in Buddhist Practice or Zen Training, and who had much to offer. Like the Women's Lineage, it does not have to be an actual chain of Teacher-to-Student.

    Gassho, Jundo

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    Last edited by Jundo; 08-09-2017, 03:23 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Kokuu
    Treeleaf Priest
    • Nov 2012
    • 6836

    #2
    This is a beautiful idea, Jundo. We once had a very heated discussion on a UK Buddhist group on Facebook concerning the ordination of disabled people. Theravadins were very opposed to it, citing the vinaya. They claimed that disability and monasticism were incompatible whereas Mahayana Buddhists were far more open to wheelchair users being pushed by their fellow monastics on an alms round.

    Do you think there are sufficient numbers of differently able ancestors to make a workable list? It is certainly worth looking into.

    Gasshp
    Kokuu
    -sattoday-

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    • FaithMoon
      Member
      • Jul 2015
      • 112

      #3
      I also think this is a beautiful impulse. The first buddhist monastics I ever met had physical challenges (stroke, rheumatoid arthritis) and were really inspiring people; taught me a lot about getting on with it and practicing with suffering. Jundo's proposal left me wondering: wouldn't those lists of male and female ancestors already include the differently abled?

      Faith-Moon
      st
      sat today!

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      • Mp

        #4
        I too think this is a beautiful idea ... =)

        Gassho
        Shingen

        SatToday/LAH

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        • Joyo

          #5
          Yes, beautiful Jundo. I am excited to see what becomes of this.

          Gassho,
          Joyo
          sat today/lah

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          • Michael Joseph
            Member
            • Mar 2017
            • 181

            #6
            Jundo,

            This is an excellent idea--a true embrace of suffering and compassion. I'm not sure what help I could be, but I'm willing to offer it nonetheless.

            Gassho,

            Michael

            Sat today LAH

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 39983

              #7
              Jundo's proposal left me wondering: wouldn't those lists of male and female ancestors already include the differently abled?

              Faith-Moon
              st
              Hi Faith

              I would say that many would be also in the existing lists, although their particular age and health issues are not particularly highlighted, and others would be in various cherished stories and Sutras but not part of the existing Lineages (as in the figures in the Womens List).

              Gassho Jundo (on train heading to SF Retreat)
              SatTodayLAH
              ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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              • Kyotai

                #8
                I support this very much. My initial thoughts were that it might inspire someone who had a disability to follow this path.

                Gassho, Kyotai
                ST LAH

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                • Shugen
                  Treeleaf Unsui
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 4535

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Kyotai
                  I support this very much. My initial thoughts were that it might inspire someone who had a disability to follow this path.

                  Gassho, Kyotai
                  ST LAH
                  I agree!

                  Gassho,

                  Shugen

                  Sattoday/LAH


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                  • Suuko
                    Member
                    • May 2017
                    • 405

                    #10
                    Great idea.

                    Gassho,
                    G.
                    ST.
                    Has been known as Guish since 2017 on the forum here.

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                    • Jika
                      Member
                      • Jun 2014
                      • 1337

                      #11
                      Maybe this would be a project for a group?
                      Like a wiki?
                      More people could contribute more easily to a possible list.
                      And there might be some discussion - let's say I suggested Bodhidharma and Huike in "practitioners with amputation", others might say those are metaphors.

                      Maybe create a sticky and bump it from time to time?
                      And update the first post, like it is done with the Ango buddy list.
                      So if a new suggestion makes it, it is edited into the list on page 1.

                      And another question - are there Sangha members who don't like this idea?
                      I think I remember some athlete saying "I'd rather be last at the Olympic games than first at the Paralympics".

                      Gassho,
                      Jika
                      sattoday, LAH
                      治 Ji
                      花 Ka

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                      • Eishuu

                        #12
                        I think it's a wonderful idea!

                        Gassho
                        Lucy
                        ST

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                        • Meitou
                          Member
                          • Feb 2017
                          • 1656

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kyotai
                          I support this very much. My initial thoughts were that it might inspire someone who had a disability to follow this path.

                          Gassho, Kyotai
                          ST LAH
                          Yes I agree and I really hope it does! This is a wonderful idea. I had no idea that there were difficulties for differently abled people and while I understand ( sort of ) the argument regarding the rigours of monastic life, it's not really a valid one in this day and age surely? It would be great if this initiative could trigger a shift in a more compassionate and inclusive direction. If there's anything I can contribute, I will.
                          Gassho
                          Frankie

                          Satwithyoualltoday/Lah
                          命 Mei - life
                          島 Tou - island

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                          • Seishin
                            Member
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 1522

                            #14
                            Fully support this idea, especially for our modern society. My historical and theological knowledge is limited and I could in no way offer suggestions of who should be added to such a list and would humbly leave that to others but believe no one should be restricted from practice or not recognized for their Bodhisattva actions due to disability.

                            STMIZ / lah


                            Seishin

                            Sei - Meticulous
                            Shin - Heart

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                            • Jinyo
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1957

                              #15
                              I can see this from various points of view. When I read the criteria for Plum Village re ordination/monastic training I was a bit shocked as it seemed to exclude many potential monastics. The age restriction particularly baffled me.
                              https://plumvillage.org/about/becoming-a-monastic/ - but on the other hand I can understand that the community relies on members being able to contribute on every level - including labour intensive physical work.
                              With the advent of internet groups and many other pathways to be of service to others it does feel very different in our current times and disability need not be a bar.
                              It would be really interesting to know how this worked in the past - I can imagine that monastics who became ill or disabled some time after their training would be supported but maybe doubtful that they could have chosen the path of ordination if they were already ill or disabled?

                              Gassho

                              Willow/Jinyo

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