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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40862

    #16
    Originally posted by Jika
    Tell them I like their new hair style while I actually don't care.
    Tell someone, oh, no problem, while it actually is one.
    Is that not a form of giving and kindness?

    Regarding hair cuts or other matters of taste, I've decided to go more towards the "I'm happy you are pleased with it" way.
    Well, my wife would read through that in a second! Next words from her, "What's wrong with it, you don't like it?"


    The Buddha, by the way, was perhaps not beyond a few "white lies" to serve a good end, a form of "Upaya" (Expedient Means) ... for example, from the Lotus Sutra Chapter 7 ... the "Guide" represents the Buddha trying to lead people to enlightenment though they tire and want to quit ...

    (again, the Buddha was not doing this for his own benefit but to help others) ...


    A caravan traveled through the desert. The people in the caravan followed their guide on a long and dangerous trip to a treasure land.
    Along the way, the people in the caravan became tired, confused, and discouraged. They told the guide that they could not go any further.

    If they turned back, all their traveling would be wasted. The guide [the Buddha] did not want the people to give up the journey. He knew that a wonderful treasure was at the end of the journey.


    When the caravan had traveled more than halfway, a great city appeared. The guide told the people of the caravan that here was an opportunity to rest and be refreshed.

    After they rested, the guide made the city disappear. He told the people that the city was nothing more than an illusion he had created to allow them to rest. He told them that their goal, the treasure land, is close.

    Refreshed, the travelers continued on their journey.


    Also, from the Lotus Sutra Chapter 3 ... the father is the Buddha ...

    One day, a fire brokes out in the house of a wealthy man who had many children. The wealthy man shouts at his children inside the burning house to flee. But, the children are absorbed in their games and cannot understand his warning, though the house is being consumed by flames.


    Then, the wealthy man devises a practical way to lure the children from the burning house. Knowing that the children are fond of interesting playthings, he calls out to them, “Listen! Outside the gate are the carts that you have always wanted: carts pulled by goats, carts pulled by deer, and carts pulled by oxen. Why don't you come out and play with them?"
    The wealthy man knows that these things will be irresistible to his children.

    The children immediately race out to get into the carts. In this way, the wealthy man is able to get his children safely away from the burning house.

    Once outside, the children demand the carts they have been promised. Instead, the wealthy man gives them a much finer and larger cart — one that runs as swiftly as the wind — adorned with many jewels and drawn by a great white ox. This cart is called the Great White Ox Cart.
    Gassho, Jundo

    SatToday
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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    • Jishin
      Member
      • Oct 2012
      • 4821

      #17
      My 2 cents:

      Precepts are an expansion of the Boddhisatva vows - help others. That simple. This can answer all questions in Buddhism. If you can't figure this out on your own, then go ask others, ask a priest, do some sitting, read a book or whatever.

      Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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      • Byokan
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Apr 2014
        • 4284

        #18
        Originally posted by Jishin
        My 2 cents:

        Precepts are an expansion of the Boddhisatva vows - help others. That simple. This can answer all questions in Buddhism. If you can't figure this out on your own, then go ask others, ask a priest, do some sitting, read a book or whatever.

        Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_
        There are no others.

        Gassho
        Byōkan
        sat + lah
        展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
        Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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        • Jishin
          Member
          • Oct 2012
          • 4821

          #19
          Originally posted by Byokan
          There are no others.

          Gassho
          Byōkan
          sat + lah
          You know what the other means. Quit harassing the other. [emoji2]

          Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

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          • Byokan
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Apr 2014
            • 4284

            #20
            Originally posted by Jishin
            You know what the other means. Quit harassing the other. [emoji2]

            Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_


            Gassho
            Byōkan
            sat + lah
            展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
            Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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            • Kaishin
              Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 2322

              #21
              Originally posted by Risho
              yeah thats true; recent studies have brought to question any health benefits from wine; even moderate drinking may cause brain issues. I do like drinking but I admit I dont like how I feel afterward even after a couple of beers

              gassho

              risho
              -st
              I've always thought it was silly, the idea of any type of alcohol being good for us. I don't drink beer because it's good for me--I drink it because it's awesome!

              And I agree with Ugrok--this view of precepts as commandments has it wrong. I don't think we should be walking around with them like some sort of checklist. Like Jishin said, they really all point to suffering. They just highlight some of the most common areas where we increase suffering. So if I got drunk and woke up the next morning feeling like crap, it would be more like "oh man that was stupid, I'll try to drink less next time," not "I shouldn't have violated the precept about intoxicants, this is what happens!"

              -satToday and will probably have some beer tonight
              Thanks,
              Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
              Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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              • Myogan
                Member
                • Aug 2015
                • 375

                #22
                From our reading;

                “All misdemeanors, like frost and dew, / are melted away in the sun of wisdom”: This is true formless repentance, in which we liberate ourselves even from Buddhist teachings.

                Living by Vow

                Gassho
                Samu'd
                Marc Connery
                明岩
                Myo̅ Gan - Bright Cliff

                I put the Monkey in Monkeymind

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