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  • tlsk
    Member
    • May 2017
    • 37

    #16
    Originally posted by clyde
    This thread reminded me of a short essay I wrote years ago to commemorate the 20th Anniversary of my local sangha (Sacramento Buddhist Meditation Group).


    On the Importance of Sangha


    A few months ago, during the lunch break at an all-day (Zen) sit, last year’s head student (Shuso) came up to me and said, “Sangha is important.” And then we spoke a bit.

    Now I could try to explain the causes and conditions that brought last year’s head student to come up to me and say, “Sangha is important.” And those would be interesting stories to share. But I’m not going to try to explain. He did and that’s enough.

    Because he’s right: sangha is important.

    I studied the Dharma for many years and sat in mediation and thought of myself as a Buddhist. And even though I had no face-to-face teacher and no sangha, I took the Three Refuges – in my heart/mind.

    But how did I take refuge? I took refuge in the Buddha as an awakened teacher. I took refuge in the Dharma as the teachings leading to awakening. But how did I take refuge in the sangha, if I had no sangha?

    Well, I thought of all the Buddhists teachers who had lived in the past and whose teachings I studied, and I thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true. I thought of the online Buddhist forums where I participated and thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true. And I thought of all the human beings living today and thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true too.

    But I believe that when the Buddha spoke of the sangha as a refuge he meant an actual community of living human beings in intimate contact, breath-to-breath, each devoted to the Path.

    It was shortly after the Buddha’s awakening that he formed the first Buddhist sangha and it seems he remained with his sangha for the rest of his life. And while the Buddha spoke of “being a lamp unto ourselves”, he also spoke of finding refuge in the sangha.

    I don’t know what refuge the Buddha found in the sangha, but this is my experience.

    A few years ago I began attending the Sunday night sit with SBMG. After a time I realized that I had joined the sangha. I made the effort to introduce myself to a few sangha members and to say “Hello” each week. In time I got to know a bit about them, and I got to share a bit about me. In time we shared a bit about how our practice and understanding of the Dharma affects our lives and our views. Mindfully listening to a Dharma friend share their experiences changed me, opened my heart. Earnestly speaking about my experiences changed me, helped me to see more clearly. And seeing how my Dharma friends respond to me changed me, in unanticipated ways. In all these ways I believe the sangha and my direct relationship with the sangha supports my efforts to realize the Dharma and I am better for it.

    So I’m sharing my experience with you: sangha is important.
    Beautiful, Clyde. Thank you for sharing this.

    Gassho,
    Taylor
    SatToday/LAH


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    • Mp

      #17
      Hey folks,

      I listened to this podcast today by Domyo Burk on Sangha, very nice talk. =)

      Is it really necessary to participate in a Sangha, or Buddhist community? What are the benefits, joys, and challenges of Sangha practice?


      Gassho
      Shingen

      SatToday/LAH

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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 40790

        #18
        Originally posted by clyde
        This thread reminded me of a short essay I wrote years ago to commemorate the 20th Anniversary of my local sangha (Sacramento Buddhist Meditation Group).


        On the Importance of Sangha


        A few months ago, during the lunch break at an all-day (Zen) sit, last year’s head student (Shuso) came up to me and said, “Sangha is important.” And then we spoke a bit.

        Now I could try to explain the causes and conditions that brought last year’s head student to come up to me and say, “Sangha is important.” And those would be interesting stories to share. But I’m not going to try to explain. He did and that’s enough.

        Because he’s right: sangha is important.

        I studied the Dharma for many years and sat in mediation and thought of myself as a Buddhist. And even though I had no face-to-face teacher and no sangha, I took the Three Refuges – in my heart/mind.

        But how did I take refuge? I took refuge in the Buddha as an awakened teacher. I took refuge in the Dharma as the teachings leading to awakening. But how did I take refuge in the sangha, if I had no sangha?

        Well, I thought of all the Buddhists teachers who had lived in the past and whose teachings I studied, and I thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true. I thought of the online Buddhist forums where I participated and thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true. And I thought of all the human beings living today and thought “We are a sangha.” And that is true too.

        But I believe that when the Buddha spoke of the sangha as a refuge he meant an actual community of living human beings in intimate contact, breath-to-breath, each devoted to the Path.

        It was shortly after the Buddha’s awakening that he formed the first Buddhist sangha and it seems he remained with his sangha for the rest of his life. And while the Buddha spoke of “being a lamp unto ourselves”, he also spoke of finding refuge in the sangha.

        I don’t know what refuge the Buddha found in the sangha, but this is my experience.

        A few years ago I began attending the Sunday night sit with SBMG. After a time I realized that I had joined the sangha. I made the effort to introduce myself to a few sangha members and to say “Hello” each week. In time I got to know a bit about them, and I got to share a bit about me. In time we shared a bit about how our practice and understanding of the Dharma affects our lives and our views. Mindfully listening to a Dharma friend share their experiences changed me, opened my heart. Earnestly speaking about my experiences changed me, helped me to see more clearly. And seeing how my Dharma friends respond to me changed me, in unanticipated ways. In all these ways I believe the sangha and my direct relationship with the sangha supports my efforts to realize the Dharma and I am better for it.

        So I’m sharing my experience with you: sangha is important.
        And I will take a few minutes to re-introduce Clyde, who is an old face around here, an old friend who drops in from time to time, and founder of the Do No Harm Movement ...



        Gassho, Jundo

        SatTodayLAH
        ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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        • Shokai
          Dharma Transmitted Priest
          • Mar 2009
          • 6429

          #19
          Thanks for for muddling your original message Warren, by doing so you've brought out some very valid inputs; Sangha is important and it doesn't just include those who think they belong

          gassho,

          sat/LAH
          合掌,生開
          gassho, Shokai

          仁道 生開 / Jindo Shokai

          "Open to life in a benevolent way"

          https://sarushinzendo.wordpress.com/

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          • Ugrok
            Member
            • Sep 2014
            • 323

            #20
            Hello !

            I don't really know why, but i always have trouble with being in a sangha or any group. Still, in zen, wherever i go, be it online or offline, i always find kind people. I don't post much here, but i read a lot, and i must say that every time i came up with a question about practice, i always received very good and helping answers.

            So i guess this is what a sangha is for me, and thank you for this.

            Gassho,

            Uggy
            Sat Today, LAH

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            • Michael Joseph
              Member
              • Mar 2017
              • 181

              #21
              Hello all,

              It's difficult for me to "take refuge in the sangha," because it's difficult for me to admit that I'm dependent on others for my own well-being. It's an admission of my own incompleteness. Until recently, I was no open to this difficulty within myself, but through practice, reading, and spending time with all of you (Buddha, Dharma, sangha), I have come to the realization that my incompleteness is something to accept and embrace. In incompleteness, the possibilities of authentic action and understanding are endless; whereas, for one who is "complete," there is no action possible, no understanding possible because everyone/thing else is an obstacle to one's own "perfect" self-containment. I think the sangha allows for the realization that, although its not always easy to admit that you need others, without admitting that need, it's impossible to see the needs of others. In short, I need you all, and I thank you for that.

              Gassho,

              Michael
              Sat today

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              • Mp

                #22
                Originally posted by Michael Joseph
                Hello all,

                It's difficult for me to "take refuge in the sangha," because it's difficult for me to admit that I'm dependent on others for my own well-being. It's an admission of my own incompleteness. Until recently, I was no open to this difficulty within myself, but through practice, reading, and spending time with all of you (Buddha, Dharma, sangha), I have come to the realization that my incompleteness is something to accept and embrace. In incompleteness, the possibilities of authentic action and understanding are endless; whereas, for one who is "complete," there is no action possible, no understanding possible because everyone/thing else is an obstacle to one's own "perfect" self-containment. I think the sangha allows for the realization that, although its not always easy to admit that you need others, without admitting that need, it's impossible to see the needs of others. In short, I need you all, and I thank you for that.

                Gassho,

                Michael
                Sat today
                Hello Michael,

                If I may ... you are not "incomplete", but rather whole and complete, it is our minds that tell us such things. Yes there maybe some thing that we need to change or work on, but that doesn't make us incomplete. We all have quirks about us, but we also have wonderful gifts and too .. each of us are whole and complete just as we are. =)

                Gassho
                Shingen

                SatToday/LAH

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                • Michael Joseph
                  Member
                  • Mar 2017
                  • 181

                  #23
                  Hey Shingen,

                  You certainly may. This might be an issue of the words I'm choosing. When I say "incomplete," I don't mean I'm lacking or not whole. Rather, my wholeness is predicated on others: plants, animals, rain, you, etc. You'll have to forgive my imprecision: I'm just now trying to speak about such things from my heart instead of using book learnin'. Thank you for for your kind words about all of us. I needed that.

                  Gassho,

                  Michael
                  Sat today

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                  • Mp

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Michael Joseph
                    Hey Shingen,

                    You certainly may. This might be an issue of the words I'm choosing. When I say "incomplete," I don't mean I'm lacking or not whole. Rather, my wholeness is predicated on others: plants, animals, rain, you, etc. You'll have to forgive my imprecision: I'm just now trying to speak about such things from my heart instead of using book learnin'. Thank you for for your kind words about all of us. I needed that.

                    Gassho,

                    Michael
                    Sat today
                    Hey Michael,

                    I hear yah and understand what you are saying. I too struggle at times accepting help from others, as I don't want to be a burden. But yet when I look at where those thoughts or feelings are coming from, I see they are not from the moment or experience that I am facing at that moment. The beauty of a Sangha is they allow me to work through those thoughts, to be whole/complete/authentic and present with what actually is.

                    So it really isn't about needing or not needing, be needed or not being needed. But rather being whole to the experience just as it is and not what I think it is or what is should be.

                    Make sense? Clear as mud? Shinning bright on a cloudy day? =).

                    Gassho
                    Shingen

                    SatToday/LAH

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                    • Zenmei
                      Member
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 270

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Michael Joseph
                      Hey Shingen,

                      You certainly may. This might be an issue of the words I'm choosing. When I say "incomplete," I don't mean I'm lacking or not whole. Rather, my wholeness is predicated on others: plants, animals, rain, you, etc. You'll have to forgive my imprecision: I'm just now trying to speak about such things from my heart instead of using book learnin'. Thank you for for your kind words about all of us. I needed that.

                      Gassho,

                      Michael
                      Sat today
                      I wrote a whole response I didn't post because of that. I think we get so used to telling people they're not broken that when we hear "incomplete" or "not good enough" we jump right into "you're perfect the way you are".
                      But then I realized that's not what you meant. I wish there were more positive terms for that "incompleteness" or "emptiness". "Interdependence" is accurate, but seems a little clinical to me.
                      The other part you were talking about is how if we think we're already complete, there's no room for anything new. Roshi Bernie Glassman talks about "not-knowing" (http://zenpeacemakers.org/zpo-rule). He didn't invent it, but I think he expressed it well. Our first step always has to be dropping the idea that we know everything, that we're "complete". Once we stop pretending to have all the answers, we're free to see clearly what's really going on. Then we can act wisely. But if we're still clinging to the idea that we know things, our actions will be based around protecting our beliefs, not helping anybody.

                      Gassho, Zenmei
                      #sat

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                      • Jakuden
                        Member
                        • Jun 2015
                        • 6141

                        #26
                        Thanks Clyde, and I love the "Do No Harm" concept. It's so simple yet could change the world.
                        Gassho
                        Jakuden
                        SatToday


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                        • gilles
                          Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 109

                          #27
                          support your local sangha

                          Peace
                          Gilles

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                          • Kaishin
                            Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 2322

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Ugrok
                            Hello !

                            I don't really know why, but i always have trouble with being in a sangha or any group.
                            Me too, Uggy! I've never been much of a group person, either, at least not in "meatspace." I think many here may be like that as well.
                            Thanks,
                            Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                            Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                            • Leo
                              Member
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 6

                              #29
                              This is an important topic. I have been so caught up in my life and am not a social person. I have a fear of showing vulnerability or weakness. I need to stick my head out of my shell a bit more.

                              I sat today,
                              Leo

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                              • Jakuden
                                Member
                                • Jun 2015
                                • 6141

                                #30
                                Sometimes, at least in my case, it's just a matter of being unskillful. Treeleaf allows me the space to thoughtfully compose my interactions with others, where in person, I tend to communicate poorly in social situations. (I think ADHD is a big part of it--I miss what people say and miss body language cues, trip over words, say idiotic things that come into my head because the brain filter is slow.) This Sangha is perfect for those of us with social anxiety.
                                Gassho
                                Jakuden
                                SatToday/LAH


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