I don't know

[Mp]

Somehow reminds me of the old children's silly song "I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that ... "

... but our version is "I know that no know that that no I that no know that know know that no no I I ... "

And then, of course, Dogen was on about "knowing-not-knowing" and "thinking-not-thinking". Just "I-not-I-ing"

Aye yai yai.

Gassho, J

SatToday

Wow, now say that fast time times. LOL

Gassho
Shingen

s@today

[Jishin]

I don't know

“There was a young man who said though, it seems that I know that I know, but what I would like to see is the I that knows me when I know that I know that I know.”


― Alan W. Watts

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Gasho, Jishin, _/st\_

[Jundo]

The little talk during today's Zazenkai (from about 56:10 mark) was on this "I don't know."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAf2NZWAn4

Was it a good talk? I really really don't know.

Sometimes it is said the the Rinzai folks in Koan Introspection Zazen have to develop a "Great Doubt" after which they break through to a knowing Great Trust. I sometimes say that Soto folks in Shikantaza sit in Great Trust, even when we sometimes might doubt.

Gassho, J

SatToday

PS - How to get more people to come to sit our weekly Zazenkai? I don't know that either!

[PClark1]

The little talk during today's Zazenkai (from about 56:10 mark) was on this "I don't know."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAf2NZWAn4

Was it a good talk? I really really don't know.

Sometimes it is said the the Rinzai folks in Koan Introspect have to develop a "Great Doubt" after which they break through to a knowing Great Trust. I sometimes say that Soto folks in Shikantaza sit in Great Trust, even when we sometimes might doubt.

Gassho, J

SatToday

PS - How to get more people to come to sit our weekly Zazenkai? I don't know that either!

There must be something to this Soto thing because, for the first time in my life, I'm willing to trust.

And, now that my laptop is fixed, I look forward to joining in in the weekly Zazenkai.

Gassho,

Paul

Sat today

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[RichardH]

. .......for the first time in my life, I'm willing to trust.....

That is just about the most beautiful thing ever posted here....


Gassho
Daizan

Sat today

[Catherine]

Thank you Paul, for your interesting comments on your experience. I recall Charlotte Joko Beck writing about the early stages of sitting and observing that it often gets worse before it gets better, although of course there is no goal or attainment and 'Mara' can haunt the mind of the most experienced in practice. I think by 'it' she meant the torment of mind that comes from exposing the ego with all its attachments and suffering, laid bare by thoughts as we fleetingly acknowledge and let them pass. She calls it the 'baseboard', I believe. Or at least that's my understanding and my experience, although it may well be flawed. Best wishes with your practice.
Gassho
Cathy
Sat today


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[PClark1]

Thank you for this, Catherine.

Gassho
Paul

Sat today

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