An Audio Interview with 'Homeless' Kodo Sawaki

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 44387

    An Audio Interview with 'Homeless' Kodo Sawaki

    Dear All,

    Our Rev. Bion found and prepared an old interview with 'Homeless' Kodo Sawaki, the wonderful Soto Zen teacher and master of Shikantaza. (He was also my teacher's first teacher.) It is lovely, and I recommend it. I can't see that it was posted before, but worthwhile to post again if so.

    He talks about his life, his hard and impoverished childhood, his becoming a priest, what it truly means to "leave home," the radical Non-Seeking of Zazen, putting down the intellectualizing (although studies have their place too), the freedom of being without need for many things, and other topics. Lots of old photos too. He tells the famous story of how, as a young man, he was sitting Zazen in a closet for a bit of quiet, and a maid who found him started bowing to the form of Zazen as if to Buddha.

    At the end he says that he is glad that he did not have the obligations of children and family to take his attention, but I think he actually did ... in the many priests he trained, influenced and cared for, and in his constant travels and teachings. In turn, he is called "Homeless," but actually many people took care of him through the years, giving him food and places to stay, he always had a place to call home, even as he knew that every place is our True Home.

    There are good English and Spanish subtitles if you click the settings tab at the bottom of the youtube page.
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    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 01-06-2026, 04:04 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Bion
    Senior Priest-in-Training
    • Aug 2020
    • 7026

    #2
    This interview is always a delight to listen to. I love how simply he responds the question about the Okesa, as the interviewer asks him "why the formalities, if Zen is about just being?" He also strikes me as having a sense of humor, as he talks about himself as being a man of leisure.. I am not sure that is the ideal translation, but I think it gets the point across!
    Thank you

    Gassho
    sat lah
    "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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    • Houzan
      Member
      • Dec 2022
      • 710

      #3
      “Nothing to do but sit”. Nice to watch this

      Gassho, Hōzan
      satlah

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      • Shinshi
        Senior Priest-in-Training
        • Jul 2010
        • 4274

        #4
        Thank you so much for putting this together Bion. I am reading "To You: Zen Sayings of Kodo Sawaki," at the moment and this is a nice compliment.

        Gassho, Shinshi

        SAT-lah
        空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi

        For Zen students a weed is a treasure. With this attitude, whatever you do, life becomes an art.
        ​— Shunryu Suzuki

        E84I - JAJ

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        • Tairin
          Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 3295

          #5
          His voice is almost exactly what I expected it to be.
          泰林 - Tai Rin - Peaceful Woods

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          • Houzan
            Member
            • Dec 2022
            • 710

            #6
            Oh, I didn’t catch that you prepared this, Bion. Thank you for this

            Gassho, Hōzan
            Satlah

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            • Bion
              Senior Priest-in-Training
              • Aug 2020
              • 7026

              #7
              Originally posted by Houzan
              Oh, I didn’t catch that you prepared this, Bion. Thank you for this

              Gassho, Hōzan
              Satlah
              Oh, This is actually almost a year old. I was so excited to be able to make it.

              gassho
              sat lah
              "One uninvolved has nothing embraced or rejected, has sloughed off every view right here - every one."

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