Keizan links from the retreat

[Kokuu]

Dear all

Thank you so much for joining us for our Spring Retreat day today. It was wonderful having everyone along.

Denkoroku (Record of Transmission of the Light) can be found at Sotoshu: https://www.sotozen.com/eng/library/...oku/index.html

Terebess has collated material on Keizan from the 2010 National Conference of The Soto Zen Buddhist Association: https://terebess.hu/zen/Keizan_Study.pdf

Terebess also has copies of other texts by Keizan that Kotei talked about such as Zazen Yojinki and Sankon Zazen Setsu: https://terebess.hu/zen/denko-roku.html

Jundo's series of talks on Keizan's Zazen Yojinki can be found here: https://forum.treeleaf.org/forum/tre...yojinki-series

Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

[Junsho]

Thank you Kokuu for the talk and for the links. It was very nice to see you there.

Gassho!
SatLah

[Kokuu]

Thank you Kokuu for the talk and for the links. It was very nice to see you there.

Gassho!
SatLah

It was great to have you there too, Junsho!

Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

[Kotei]

Hello, here is the promised list of resources, I've used for the talk. (Not complete as I have not taken notes of the snippets google showed me)

Bodiford, W. M. (1993). Sōtō Zen in Medieval Japan. University of Hawaii Press.

Heine, S. (2015). Dōgen and Sōtō Zen. Oxford University Press.

Dumoulin, H. History of Zen Buddhism Volume II (somewhat outdated?)

Williams, Duncan The Other Side of Zen - A social history of Soto Zen Buddhism in Tokugawa Japan - Princeton University Press

Arai, P. K. R. (1999). Women Living Zen. - Oxford University Press

Just, C. M. (2011). New American Zen: Women’s Adaptation of Traditional Sōtō Zen.

Foulk, T. G. (2010). Standard Observances of the Soto Zen School. Volume 2 - Introduction

Cohen, Jundo (2024) Podcast series on Master Keizan's Zazen Yojinki

Cohen, Jundo (2024) Talk series youtube playlist

Cohen, Jundo (2022) Post on Sankon Zazen Setsu: Three Kinds of Zazen Practitioners

Cohen, Jundo (2022) Podcast on Sankon Zazen Setsu: Three Kinds of Zazen Practitioners


And here are the links to the recordings of the two talks offered yesterday:

Kotei on the life of Master Keizan

Kokuu on Master Keizan and his work Denkoroku (Record of Transmission of the Light)


Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today

[Chikyou]

Of the two print versions of Denkoroku mentioned during the talk, is one more preferred/recommended than the other?

Gassho,
SatLah
Chikyō

[Kotei]

Hello Chikyou,

I have read some chapters of the Cook translation and the Soto Shu translation in parallel and found them very similar.
The Cleary one differs a lot from them and is at parts abbreviated and lacking some content and is imho in a way trying to oversimplify things. I think it is also not using more or less "standard" wordings, you find in more recent buddhist works.
I would recommend the Cook or Soto-Shu version because of this. Although some of the over-simplified Cleary paragraphs helped me understand what I didn't in the other ones.

Gassho,
Kotei sat/lah today.

[Kokuu]

Hi Chikyou

I agree with Kotei that I find the Cook version preferable, and my readings during the talk were from that version.

However, as Kotei also points out, the Cook and Sotoshu versions are fairly similar so another option is to read the free Sotoshu version and buy the Cleary book for comparison/elucidation.

Gassho
Kokuu
-sattoday/lah-

[Kotishka]

Thank you so much for the talk.

I am currently listening to Jundo's podcast (2024) and you were right about Keizan being a lot more clearer than Dogen. Perhaps this is what helped Soto-Shu to expand and not remain in the underground and perish. Also, the two history books will be a great night time read for a history fan like myself.

Gassho
SatLah