A Request to Sangha Members: "Three Sacred Sentences" Practice & No AI Posts

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 39205

    A Request to Sangha Members: "Three Sacred Sentences" Practice & No AI Posts

    Dear All,

    In Zen, it is important to untangle from our complex thoughts, simplify views and hold opinions lightly. As one practice in doing so, I am requesting that our members try to limit their Forum comments to about, more or less, three (3) well-chosen and heartfelt sentences. The purpose is to cause people to consider what they really need to say, to keep it short, simplify and to honor the dropping of opinions and extra ideas.

    That said, the request is not a "rule" or set in stone in any way:

    - Anyone who feels that they need more than three lines to express themselves about some topic is totally free and welcome to do so (We simply ask that they try to note, "Sorry, needed more than three sentences here" or "Sorry, needed to run long" or the like at the end of their post). If you have something you really want to say and share, please say it!

    - The request is not being made of newcomers, just arrived to Treeleaf Sangha, during the first few months of their being here.

    - It will not apply to some sections of our Forum where a bit more discussion is welcome (e.g., our "No Words" Book Club, the Art & Poetry Circles, our Precept reflections during Jukai, the "Beginner's Place" for newcomers, and the like).

    - It is okay to add some colons ";" and parenthesis ( ), but let's not go overboard. However, quotes don't count, so please quote the writings of others all you wish. "More or less three" is fine, no need to be exact.

    - It is just a request, with no kind of penalty or punishment attached in any way, and it will not be moderated. While it is purely voluntary, I am counting on the group spirit of Sangha members to lead them to join in voluntarily. I may offer privately a friendly reminder of the request from time to time to folks who seem to be heavy in thoughts.

    - Folks who are neuro-diverse do not have to bother with this if it is a hardship for them, and should write as they need to write unless otherwise requested. It would be appreciated if, even so, a tiny "sorry, needed to run long" were placed at the end of long posts, the same as for everybody.


    The reason for 3 is a bit arbitrary, but Buddhists traditionally like their "threes" ... like the Three Refuges (Buddha, Dharma, Sangha).

    Thank you. This "Three Sacred Sentences" practice is an ongoing experiment in our Sangha as we see how it goes. Please give it a try!

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


    As well, we request that all postings have been written by you from your own heart, and not be AI generated. Thank you as well. An AI program summarizes very well why we request this:

    AI usage in forums discussing Zen Buddhism may not be appropriate, for the following reasons:

    1. Loss of Human Connection: Zen Buddhism emphasizes the importance of human interaction, genuine connections, and shared experiences in the process of spiritual growth. Using an AI to generate content may create a barrier to these genuine connections, as it lacks the ability to empathize or share personal experiences.

    2. Limited Understanding of Zen: GPT-4's knowledge is based on the text it has been trained on, but Zen Buddhism is more than just words. The essence of Zen lies in the experiential understanding of its teachings, which an AI like GPT-4 cannot grasp or convey accurately.

    3. Inability to Provide Personal Guidance: An essential aspect of Zen practice is the relationship between a student and a Zen master or teacher. GPT-4, being an AI, lacks the personal experience, intuition, and wisdom necessary to guide others on their spiritual journey, which can potentially lead to misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Zen teachings.

    In conclusion, while GPT-4 is a remarkable technological achievement, its application in Zen Buddhism forums may hinder the genuine human connection, experiential understanding, and personal guidance that are vital to Zen practice. It is important to carefully consider the impact of AI on our spiritual journey and preserve the essence of Zen by prioritizing human interaction and mindfulness.

    Gassho, Jundo

    (Sorry, needed to run long in the above)

    SatTodayLentAHand
    Last edited by Jundo; 03-22-2023, 01:22 PM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Onka
    Member
    • May 2019
    • 1575

    #2
    I appreciate this statement and wording Jundo. It's well thought out and I agree that some kind of acknowledgement for needing to go over 3 sentences shouldn't be too much of a challenge for our neuro-diverse members or members with mental wellbeing challenges. I hope that they, like me see it as an acknowledgement and not an apology for being neuro-diverse or having mental wellbeing challenges. Finally I hope that we will all try to keep posts to the 3 sentences.
    Gassho
    Onka
    *I acknowledge I went over 3 sentences. I will continue to try to keep my posts to 3 sentences as requested by my teacher Jundo.
    穏 On (Calm)
    火 Ka (Fires)
    They/She.

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    • Bion
      Treeleaf Unsui
      • Aug 2020
      • 3716

      #3
      More than happy to abide by this! If anything, what it’s done for me in the short time I’ve been here, is that it’s made me think carefully about what I say and how I say it, to make sure I’m clear, respectful, considerate and brief, making it easy for others to read and understand me.

      Thank you!

      [emoji1374] SatToday
      "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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      • Victor
        Member
        • Mar 2019
        • 108

        #4
        Thank you, Jundo. I will do my best to honor this request.
        Gassho,
        V
        ST

        Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
        "Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train"-Ueshiba Morihei

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        • Getchi
          Member
          • May 2015
          • 612

          #5
          Ooooh I like this,
          forced tonne succinct.
          We can do it!!!?!
          Nothing to do? Why not Sit?

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          • Tai Shi
            Member
            • Oct 2014
            • 3306

            #6
            Thank you Jundo for being you. I truly appreciate all that you have done for me! I have the little vase with the Heart Sutra on my alter! You have or maybe it has been me but by golly you have been every step you have helped so many of us! Never forget. A man who has friends is a rich man, and you have many friends. Just a guy.
            Gassho
            st/ lah
            Tai Shi


            Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
            Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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            • Shonin
              Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 885

              #7
              I was just wondering if I was missing something with everyone apologizing for running long(which to me a paragraph is nothing) and I was. I'll try to be more succinct in the future. My apologies.
              Dave SAT/LAH

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              • Jundo
                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                • Apr 2006
                • 39205

                #8
                I am going to bump this post a bit, for ALL members (and I put myself on that list for sure), because it is an excellent little practice.

                Truly, this is a powerful Zen practice about letting words and thoughts go a bit, simplifying ideas, not getting tangled, and is not some law or hard rule at all.

                Of course, if someone really has something in their heart to say, and it is vital and cannot be said more concisely or silently, then say what one is called to say: no limit on words needed.

                Sorry to run long.

                Gassho, Jundo

                SatTodayLAH
                Last edited by Jundo; 07-15-2021, 03:43 AM.
                ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                • Timchenko_Oleg
                  Member
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 56

                  #9

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                  • Byokan
                    Treeleaf Unsui
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 4279

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jundo
                    The tree in the front garden.

                    Gassho, J

                    STLah




                    Gassho
                    Byokan
                    展道 渺寛 Tendō Byōkan
                    Please take my words with a big grain of salt. I know nothing. Wisdom is only found in our whole-hearted practice together.

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                    • Bion
                      Treeleaf Unsui
                      • Aug 2020
                      • 3716

                      #11
                      Originally posted by serenewolf
                      Can i use koans to convey complex thoughts in relation to the topic? For example if i say "overflowing tea" it can refer to the koan about emptying the cup of thoughts and opinions before learning, which would relate to the topic, although perhaps not the best example. The goal being to stimulate thought between the koan concepts and the current topic while staying within the three sentances, or would these be too vague?
                      Gassho
                      David
                      Sat/lah
                      Assuming we all are familiar with the koans. I am not, so I’d rather use my own simple words but make it brief! [emoji1]

                      [emoji1374] SatToday
                      "Stepping back with open hands, is thoroughly comprehending life and death. Immediately you can sparkle and respond to the world." - Hongzhi

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                      • Shinshi
                        Treeleaf Unsui
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 3489

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jundo
                        The tree in the front garden.

                        Gassho, J

                        STLah
                        Or, in a different vein.

                        Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.



                        Gassho, Shinshi

                        SaT-LaH
                        空道 心志 Kudo Shinshi
                        I am just a priest-in-training, any resemblance between what I post and actual teachings is purely coincidental.
                        E84I - JAJ

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                        • Kaishin
                          Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 2322

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Shinshi
                          Or, in a different vein.

                          Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.



                          Gassho, Shinshi

                          SaT-LaH
                          Hey, I actually got that reference!

                          -satToday
                          Thanks,
                          Kaishin (開心, Open Heart)
                          Please take this layman's words with a grain of salt.

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                          • Koushi
                            Treeleaf Unsui / Engineer
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 1257

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Shinshi
                            Or, in a different vein.

                            Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.



                            Gassho, Shinshi

                            SaT-LaH
                            When the walls fell

                            Gassho,
                            Koushi
                            ST
                            理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi

                            Please take this novice priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.

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                            • Tai Shi
                              Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 3306

                              #15
                              Long, here I vowed, grateful poetry longer, keep others short, positive, excuses spelling/typing. Great joy in realization that Zen is what I am, not what I practice, 7 years I learned thought practice, now I learn to be.
                              Gassho
                              sat/ lah
                              Tai Sho
                              Last edited by Tai Shi; 07-16-2021, 05:16 PM. Reason: complete ideas, concisiom
                              Peaceful, Tai Shi. Ubasoku; calm, supportive, for positive poetry 優婆塞 台 婆

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