[FutureBuddha (13)] Technological 'Rebirth' and Changes to Society

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 41030

    [FutureBuddha (13)] Technological 'Rebirth' and Changes to Society

    Dear Ancestors-to-be of Future-Generations-to-come,

    Let us continue to reflect on how we might best employ genetic, medical and other technological developments, assuming that they do eventually come about and:
    (1) are inevitable and coming anyway, cannot be halted, cannot be ignored;

    (2) have a high chance of being misused by bad actors unless we use them in beneficial ways;

    (3) can be shown to be effective and safe to use; and

    (4) can be introduced in an ethical way respectful of individual free choice, civil and human rights ...

    In such cases, can these developments, so scary if falling into the wrong hands, bring about many hoped for positive developments in human society if employed instead by gentle, ethical and humane hands?

    The following begins with brief reflections on whether we might call such technological developments a kind of "good Karma" (avoiding technological "bad Karma" and harmful effects) which we are passing on to future generations.

    Next, the essay briefly outlines some positive changes which might happen in society if, for example, people are less apt to fall into extremes of unmoderated raging anger commonly resulting in angry violence, and instead are led to enhanced drives toward charity and empathy. It is also true that changes in outside society ... the content of the media we see, the lessons taught in schools to developing children, the environments of the homes in which those children are raised ... all work to create the adults that those children become, each rendering us more or less prone to violence and other harmful tendencies. At the same time, many of our current, animalistic biological traits and tendencies seem to be working in negative ways in society, to encourage violence in media (because of the thrill its viewing brings to so many of us), violence in our schools and in many of our homes. In turn, my book posits that changes to the biological proclivities toward violence and the like within the genetic make-up of human beings will work more effectively to change our media, schools and home environments. In fact, both inner changes and outer reinforcements of those changes, hand in hand, are needed to effectively remake society for the better.

    My book states:

    ~ ~ ~

    ... [If this technology is coming and cannot be stopped,] it is vital that the necessary technology be mastered and employed by the good guys, the folks in the ‘white hats,’ those of us who will use it well, before the ‘black hat’ bad guys take over the town. As with every potentially mis-usable discovery or device throughout human history, it is vitally important who gets their hands on it first. The “white hats” need to head the villains off at the pass! I feel we have no choice, for if we stick our heads in the sand, the robber barons, generalissimos, despots and other villains will just have their way.

    If we think of future H-ASB (hybrid-artificial sentient beings) and our other biological creations/children as our “future lives” down the road, then our actions in these prior generations before their birth have Karmic effects, for good and bad, helping to determine who they will someday be. If someone believes in literal rebirth into future lives then, perhaps, that rebirth might someday be as a cyborg or other engineered sentient life. We are determining our future incarnations or, at least (if less literal about ‘rebirth’), our biological legacies and remainders. Thus, if we take this technology as unavoidable, and are tasked to develop or design good qualities within humans (because the alternative of doing nothing and leaving matters to the less well-meaning is so much worse), and to set the stage for better after-humans in the future, it would serve us well to nurture within those generations various Buddhist and equivalent gentle, humane values in order to counter the greed, violence and divisions that have plagued world history to date.

    For the first time in human society, rather than merely preaching virtue or threatening hellfires, terrible rebirths and/or prison cells to the wicked, we might have an actual means to instill virtues by physically uploading and inserting virtues directly into hearts and minds. Why preach and threaten, when our better angels might instead be found in our better natures? In fact, it is not only so regarding our coming biological creations: Our robots, AI inventions, drones and other mechanical and automated creations should be fashioned to maintain ethical standards which are peaceful and good. We need to get some Dharma in our drones, motherly love on our motherboards, Precepts into our programs!

    Of course, good chromosomes and better brains or data bits alone will not make good and better beings and bots, any more than being born today with muscles allowing above average speed, dexterity and strength makes an Olympic athlete. Years of effort, practice and coaching are also required. Natural musical abilities mean little without continued music lessons and familial encouragement of such talents. Gifts by themselves are not sufficient if left undeveloped in education and training. Schools, families, media and other societal institutions should all work together to bring out the best in our children, because their increased propensity to be gentle, kind, caring and peaceful will wither on the vine unless properly nurtured and tended. Even data gathering, machine learning digital programs must be put through their paces in the field, becoming skilled by experience.

    It is my hope, however, that modified, increased and re-focused drives within our psyches encouraging us toward greater gentleness, kindness, caring, etc., will cause us to create school curricula, family environments, media content and the rest which are also gentler, kinder, more peaceful and the rest, in much the same way that current human nature is reflected in today’s schools, families and media, and the modern problems we find there. If, for example, people come to internally feel heightened levels of intense physical disgust when witnessing scenes of bloody violence, and more powerful joy and pleasure when presented with moments of charity and cooperation, the values taught in schools, the atmosphere children experience in families, and the content of entertainment and news reports presented in the media will tend to emphasize the avoidance of violence, and the encouragement of charity and cooperation. Human values and social institutions are mutually formed. Each will influence, encourage and nurture the other.

    It is hard to imagine, for example, movies celebrating shootings, beatings and battlefield explosions when the paying audience is left physically ill at the mere sight. Will there be many families in which children are beaten if potentially abusive parents are no longer mentally prone to raging anger, and instead, are sickened at the very thought? How many schools will there be where disciplinary issues interfere with daily study if the student body’s bodies are disposed to be gentler, more cooperative in nature, more focused and able to concentrate, and smarter? In fact, our theatres will be filled with tales of good deeds and humanitarian heroes, rather than violent scenes and war heroes, if the ticket buying public demands, feeling the same level of pleasure in witnessing kittens saved from trees as now felt in witnessing gladiators battle to the death. It is merely a matter of neurologically rewiring what brings thrills and physical joy, or aversion and disgust.

    That being the case, if we are to develop or design caring, gentle, charitable, peaceful humans or after-humans in the future, we will need some notion of “ideal caring, gentle, charitable, peaceful beings” with beneficial qualities and values as inspiration:

    The Buddhas and Great Bodhisattvas would serve well as ideals toward which we aim, just as they have since long ago. ...

    ... (to be continued) ...





    Gassho, J

    stlah


    PS - With all due respect to our Tibetan and other more traditional Buddhist brethren, these two explanations (by Dr. Thurman, who obviously had good genes to be both a Columbia University professor and actress Uma's father ) and a Tibetan Rimpoche make little sense to me, seem premised on questionable pseudo-scientific premises and assumptions, and misunderstandings of biology and more ... together with a paucity of evidence to support such ideas.


    We can nourish charity and other good within us, and also leave influences on future generations, both social and genetic, but an actual "spiritual gene" that forms the brain, hands and the rest?? Hmmm.

    And I am with the following fellow for about the first 2 minutes 30 seconds ... and I do personally entertain the possibility that our "consciousness" is somehow a more basic phenomenon of the universe that is more than just the physical brain (which physical brain may possibly tap into or isolate that more basic phenomenon, in much the same way that our bodily cells make use of the principles of matter and energy to perform various functions ... the jury is still out on this "hard problem" of the origin of human consciousness ... ) ... but I am rather skeptical of much of the following, which seems not supported by the evidence he tries to present. Hmmmm.

    Last edited by Jundo; 02-23-2023, 03:34 AM.
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  • Jishin
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    • Oct 2012
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    #2
    Why did the Zen student go to the Treeleaf Zendo - Powered by vBulletin forum?

    To get some byte-sized enlightenment!

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    Gassho, Jishin, ST, LAH

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    • RobKen

      #3
      If a country is governed wisely,
      its inhabitants will be content.
      They enjoy the labor of their hands
      and don't waste time inventing
      labor saving machines.
      Since they dearly love their homes,
      they aren't interested in travel.
      There may be a few wagons and boats,
      but these don't go anywhere.
      There may be an arsenal of weapons,
      but nobody ever uses them.
      People enjoy their food,
      take pleasure in being with their families,
      spend weekends working in their gardens,
      delight in the doings of their neighborhood.
      And even though the next country is so close
      the people can hear its roosters crowing or its dogs barking
      they are content to die of old age
      without ever having gone to see it.

      Tao Te Ching
      translated by Stephen Mitchell

      I'm convinced of the inevitability of the death of Dharma and collapse of civilization and the impossibility of saving all my delusions, but even so I'm inspired by the Buddhist vow to work to save them even as if they could be saved. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and they will be. This passage from the Tao Te Ching always brings some hopes and a sense of freedom.

      I lived on an organic farming community for five year which tried to imitate the type of Taoist community described in this quote. We used tractors and pickup trucks and the internet and grew almost all of our own food. We had a sister community that used horses to farm. I would have tried to live on the sister community if they had been able to work with my disability.

      When I was studying for my BA in Environmental studies in college such communities were belittled by the faculty and students as was the philosophy that the values of such communities could spread internationally. (there were a few notable exceptions) Even though it was a Buddhist college, there was certainly no effort to recruit students to live in such communities or to demonstrate the possibility of making working in such a community a career choice. I later attended a Catholic College for a while and there was certainly recruitment for the monastic and contemplative vocations but not so much for spiritual communities although there were some.

      Gandhi worked wholeheartedly to spread his ashram movement internationally although he probably knew it would never catch on. He only supported "appropriate technology" although he did write that in his ideal international society there might be trains. If he would have seen any use for the internet I think he might have supported the way Treeleaf uses the internet to be one its appropriate forms.

      The passage suggests that it is important for societies to govern wisely, and for Lao Tzu this is perhaps ultimately the government of the individual but group leaders are also of some importance. It seems to me that it is important for Buddhist teachers to cultivate they existence of such communities as described in the Tao Te Ching, perhaps more than monastic ones, and to encourage programs of study leading to careers in those settings. Just knowing that such communities exist and that people work to preserve them is a type of anchor to sanity as the world appears to disinigrate.

      So now there are emerging fears of the possibility someday of humans becoming bioengineered to be ethical. Even more so it seems to me are these communities needed. Even if every human being working in such a community is bio-engineered to be ethical, the fact that there was stated resistance to the existence of such communities without such engineering is still resistance. It is vital in my opinion that this resistance remain somewhere in the memory of the people. And if all references to that memory is destroyed and it lives only in the memory of the ancestors. . . . .To me such resistance is vital to the preservation of Dharma.

      But of course the Dharma can never be destroyed, not even by technological tyranny. Even if it takes billions and billions of years and acknowledgement over and over again that technologically tyranny is still basically good, the worst of technological destruction is still just mud and compost for the lotus flowers. And as my first teacher said, there is a tendency to ultimately not pick the flower we see in the woods and to let it be because of our basic goodness. So too do I believe in the end between biologically engineered lotus flowers and lotus flowers we just let be. But that is just my opinion and belief.

      Gassho
      sat today
      Robert
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      • Jundo
        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
        • Apr 2006
        • 41030

        #4
        Originally posted by RobKen

        So now there are emerging fears of the possibility someday of humans becoming bioengineered to be ethical. Even more so it seems to me are these communities needed. Even if every human being working in such a community is bio-engineered to be ethical, the fact that there was stated resistance to the existence of such communities without such engineering is still resistance. It is vital in my opinion that this resistance remain somewhere in the memory of the people. And if all references to that memory is destroyed and it lives only in the memory of the ancestors. . . . .To me such resistance is vital to the preservation of Dharma.
        Thank you, Robert. That is beautiful.

        It may be something of a mutually realizing loop, in which the biology of the human being is evolved with technological skill to allow us to become more easily satisfied with simpler needs free of so much progress and production and technology, with less desire for luxurious goods in runaway excess to fill landfills (as now), with more respect for nature and preserving this planet, with more appreciation of the simple and natural treasures of a life such as you describe. Then, perhaps, vast numbers of people would wish to live as you depict, rather than just a few committed individuals such as yourself.

        Then, as well, with enhanced empathy and compassion toward others, maybe we could avoid the ugly side of the "simple life" of ages past, in which life in the countryside was violent, more "oppressed peasant," sharecropper or slave than happy residents of some balanced kibutz utopia. I live in an agricultural village in Japan where, until only about 80 years ago, the life of the people here was constant cycles of flood and drought, pestilence, a lack of medical care and available doctors, ignorance and oppression of the women in the population, and on and on. Simple and rustic is not always best. Perhaps a member of the elite Chinese aristocracy, with time and wealth to philosophize and compose poetry with idealized and romantic images of the countryside (time and wealth gained on the backs of those peasants who supported the Chinese aristocracy), is the author who wrote the Tao Te Ching?

        A later section of my book discusses a balanced future time, in which we do need machines, factories, manufacture, invention, development for some things at some times, but in balance, in wise moderation, for good things, not as the main thing.

        Our economic system should seek balance and homeostasis, a biological term meaning a state of steady, stable physiological and chemical conditions maintained by healthy living systems. In a mammal body, homeostasis is a dynamic and active state (not dead or frozen), but one of equilibrium and optimal functioning in the organism, in body temperature, chemical balances such as blood sugar levels, respiration, heart rate, and much more. Equilibrium is maintained by many regulatory mechanisms that check and stabilize the body. Our economic system has to embody much the same. Balance and moderation in our emotions and desires are a priori requirements for getting there.

        Civilization is near the point of declaring ‘enough’ right now, thank you, and we do not really need more. In fact, we have enough right now to make sure that everyone on the planet has enough … if we are wise in defining "enough.” Yes, there are some things that we do not yet have enough of, like cures for still incurable diseases, homes and good schools for everyone, clean water for everyone, and we should continue to push for these. But even so, when we have produced the bountiful quotas needed to sustain us and meet our healthy needs, enough food, enough clothes, enough of countless little things, we should shut off the machines for a while, turn off the lights in the factory, go outside, sit on a mountain or under a tree in a forest, and be satisfied … simply be satisfied. Doing so will sustain us too.

        Tomorrow or the day after, we can reopen the factory as needs arise, for a few days here and there, a few months in a year, making what is required, still seeking what is needed, but always conscious of the point when enough is simply enough.

        ...

        We need not stop all industrial production, nor abandon our goal-oriented mentality in all fields and endeavors. Let us be “Less-ites” rather than extreme Luddites. Some areas of progress and technology really do make life better. For example, let us emphasize medical investigation, paying researchers like rock stars, in order to cure the many diseases that cause pain, debility, and death. Let us take the profits derived from robot labor and pay everyone what they deserve to teach children, clean the streets, plant greenery, study dancing, write poetry, comfort the lonely, nurse the elderly and tend the forests. Let us continue our progress in agriculture, until the point at which healthy, tasty, sufficient quantities and diversities of foods can be brought to everyone’s plate with lovely presentation. Let us plunge ahead in our research into the basic sciences, not to discover new ways to make terrible bombs and poisons, but to understand more about this universe and our planet. Let us make theatres, schools, libraries (whether stocked with books of recycled paper or electronic), art, and beautiful handcrafts created for art’s sake. Let us learn to brew a proper cup of tea.
        Gassho, J

        stlah
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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 41030

          #5
          By coincidence, this popped into my science feed today ...

          The 'good old days' weren't always all so good ...

          Economy changes, but human nature does not change fast enough ...

          Surprising Research Reveals Rampant Violence in Early Farming Societies

          ... New research suggests that violence and warfare were widespread in numerous Neolithic communities throughout Northwest Europe during a time period associated with the adoption of agriculture. Bioarchaeologists discovered that more than one in ten of the over 2300 skeletal remains of early farmers from 180 sites dating back to around 8000 – 4000 years ago displayed weapon injuries.

          Contrary to the view that the Neolithic era was marked by peaceful cooperation, the team of international researchers says that in some regions the period from 6000BC to 2000BC may be a high point in conflict and violence with the destruction of entire communities.

          The findings also suggest the rise of growing crops and herding animals as a way of life, replacing hunting and gathering, may have laid the foundations for formalized warfare.

          Researchers used bioarchaeological techniques to study human skeletal remains from sites in Denmark, France, Germany, Great Britain, Spain, and Sweden. ...

          Dr. Martin Smith, of Bournemouth University’s Department of Archaeology and Anthropology, said: “The study raises the question as to why violence seems to have been so prevalent during this period. The most plausible explanation may be that the economic base of society had changed. With farming came inequality and those who fared less successfully appear at times to have engaged in raiding and collective violence as an alternative strategy for success, with the results now increasingly being recognized archaeologically.”

          I think that China and the rest of Asia were likely about the same ...

          Gassho, J

          stlah
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          • RobKen

            #6
            I did a study of the Amish in college. The Amish weren't perfect, but my understanding is that there have a far lower crime rate than the general society. They have traditional Protestant patriachal values. But I think if activists in the lineage of someone like Dorothy Day, a respected feminist by both the far left and by people such as the last few popes and their allies and who founded the Catholic Worker movement, would maybe begin dialogue with the Amish in a way they would understand that something beneficial might occur. The first thing the professor said after I presented my study is that people have a romantic ideal of living like the Amish but no one from the contemporary environmental movement would ever consider giving up their lifestyle to become Amish. He used this as evidence that humanity living that way must be a daydream. Well, Wendell Berry is an environmentalist who called the Amish the "geniuses" of technology but with much criticism. The Shakers ended their lineage in the 1960s probably in response to how they perceived the contemporary spiritual social currents moving, which shows perhaps a protest in defense of lifestyles like the Amish. The Amish havent shown much interest in contemplative practice but their related denomination the Mennonites have. The Amish tradition of shunning even though rare should be brought to an end. But I suppose my point is that in a different set of circumstances groups like the Amish might be more welcomed and understood and imitated by the contemporary environmental movement.

            Some anthropologists believe that there is evidence that some Native American communities followed the Way as written in the passage quoted in the Tao Te Ching. My own perception is that the current evidence supporting that view is weak, and I will only say that it is debated.

            Then there is the view most people consider laughable held by people such as the Hindu Swami and Christian esotericist Abbott George Burke. In Christian and Jewish esoteric schools there is belief in a historical Garden of Eden like what the Taoists talk about as the golden age. I have no idea how this works with contemporary evolutionary science. It involves travel between different dimensions I suppose. But according to these traditions such as written in Abbott Burke's book Robe of Light humanity at one time lived in a world with no war and no disease and could talk with animals and had no technology and was surrounded by a completely non-harmful natural world. Or at least non-harmful until it was infested by luciferic beings. I suppose I like histories such as these even though writers like Abbott Burke who is considered a Hindu master would be considered at best a socially accepted psychotic by many people, including other people considered masters. Well developed esotericists say they follow a type of spiritual science as exact and advanced as any physical science and I have no idea how the differing schools of perspective meet in unity or if they need to meet and agree. I have no desire to debate any of this except to say that I find comfort in Abbott Burke's writings.

            I also find nothing to criticize in the description of the society you describe as a future to work for in your book. I think that a world where factories shut down when we don't need them and there is lots more wealth for school and the arts as well as scientific and medical research and much more gardens and greenery sounds like a beautiful way to live and to work to live in. I hope a world like you described manifests sometime soon. Maybe your way of going about advocating for that future is more effective than my just speaking of certain "mythological histories" that people I believe more advanced than me spiritually claim have some perceived with accuracy. I've been told in my case that it usually best to sit on the cushion and not speak so much about these musings if at all and contemplate more doing nothing as a form of activism. I find that rather enjoyable.

            Gassho,
            Robert
            sat today

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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 41030

              #7
              Maybe your way of going about advocating for that future is more effective than my just speaking of certain "mythological histories" that people I believe more advanced than me spiritually claim have some perceived with accuracy.
              I believe that there were many dreamers, visionaries, mystics and utopians of the past who imagined such a world. It was largely wishful thinking, coupled with romantic images of a non-existent peaceable past. Furthermore, the visionaries had no way to bring their lovely visions to reality. All the preaching, praying, dreaming and "means of production" pseudo-scientific postulating did nothing to make it happen.

              Now, perhaps, there will soon be the actual means to get to the heart of the matter ... literally, within the human heart and mind ... and bring good changes about.

              Gassho, J

              stlah
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