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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40783

    [FutureBuddha (11)] Turning Coming Technologies Away from Bad Directions ...

    Hello, Fellow Carbon Based Lifeforms,

    I do not think that we can (nor should, even if we somehow could) seek to build a perfect, utopian paradise on this planet. There are too many variables to control (outside, of course, of some simulation of a "paradise" we might experience as a virtual reality experience) and, frankly, human life needs to be rather rough and tumble in order to be rich, fertile and exciting human life. We would not wish to make (even assuming we every could) the world too safe and too predictable.

    Even so, some serious problems which humankind is facing might be solved, in whole or part, with a few small changes to our animal natures and tendencies to certain destructive behavior.

    My book imagines what might happen, and our choices, with regard to certain technologies which might be misused. If that is the case, might we instead consider to use them for good instead? I remind readers that the discussion in my book is based on four premises. I advocate that we consider the use of certain technologies if, and only if, those certain technologies and medical abilities are:
    (1) inevitable and coming anyway, cannot be halted, cannot be ignored;

    (2) have a high chance of being misused by bad actors unless we use them in beneficial ways;

    (3) can be shown to be effective and safe to use; and

    (4) can be introduced in an ethical way respectful of individual free choice, civil and human rights ...

    ... then, and only then, we should consider (i.e., talk about their possible) use for good.

    Is the moral vision of Buddhism, and other religions and humanistic philosophies with which it shares an ethical foundation, important to prevent harmful uses of powerful future abilities?

    ~ ~ ~


    What are the challenges we face?

    Not everything is a bed of artificially bred roses: No doubt, the military will be on the cutting edge, as will folks just wanting to make a buck or politically pacify and control us. Among all the other technical advances, the weapon designers are sure to conceive of countless new and more efficient ways to kill people, fight wars, blow things up, including our whole globe.

    If the future continues to bring war and violence, with ever more powerful ways to slaughter and maim each other, the non-violent message of Buddhism will become even more crucial. It was so when Zen masters of old counseled samurai to hesitate in using their swords; it will be so when Zen masters of the future counsel robot samurai to be cautious in blasting their ray guns. Might the military be the first to develop “peace bombs” which flood our enemies with feelings of peace so that they are incapable of fighting? Might we someday turn such “anti-weapons” on ourselves, in “Mutually Assured Mass Pacification?” What need to kill an enemy if we can simply rob them of their will to fight, if not turn them into friends? Our moving away from violence, and from the conflicts which are ever generated by our greed and excess needs, remains an aim of Buddhism today, just as in the past. It not only helps preserve a simple and happy life, but is more crucial than ever to preserve all human life on this planet in this age far beyond swords and spears.

    Let us “break bread, not bones,” “kill our enemies with kindness” and “smother our foes in love” until foes no more, all helped along by technologies and teachings of peace.

    ...

    Ultimately, if we are to be subjugated by future computer masters or super-intelligent apes, I would like them to be good electric-pacifists, loving Bodhisattva bonobos more than aggressive Asura chimps. I would like them to be vegetarians, kind and gentle with their pets and laboratory test animals … because those pets and test animals may be us this time! If we travel to other worlds as colonists, I hope that we do not repeat the same mistakes of greed and war that we have made here, our race spreading junk and violence to space, turning our petty earthly conflicts into petty martian conflicts. If we do design newer and better “bio-species” or “electro-species” or combinations of both, I would like to aim for increased wisdom and compassion built into their genetic and digital programming, not merely enhanced strength and efficient function.

    This is where Buddhist values of peace, generosity, kindness and compassion come in. We need to write these values as our robotic/computer codes and (if genomic mucking about is inevitable, cannot be halted, cannot be stopped) insert goodness into human and post-human genetics.

    I believe that the human race is heading, in the foreseeable future, for severe decline or its own destruction if we do not take action soon to change how human beings are right now. I believe that we will not get to the root cause of our global problems until we adjust downward (just by a little) the drives creating our human desires to consume, acquire, anger and fight, while adjusting upward (just a tad) our human potential to be satisfied, simple in tastes, moderate, caring for others, loath to act in violence and hate. We do not need to be perfect saints, ideal Buddhas or flawless Bodhisattvas. We just need to be a little better. In my view, the answer lies (assuming the technology becomes common, cannot be avoided, might be otherwise used for more nefarious ends) in altering our human DNA together with other moderating changes to our biology and brains, in body and mind, thus making us gentler, kinder, more giving and compassionate residents of this planet, more easily satisfied, caring, pacifist, loving.

    Such alterations are a central theme of this book, and the focus of our next few chapters.

    It is our best (and only) real hope.


    Gassho, J

    stlah

    Last edited by Jundo; 02-13-2023, 02:42 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Seiko
    Novice Priest-in-Training
    • Jul 2020
    • 1081

    #2
    Certainly, removing the aggressive impulses might work. But how would we gain consent? Would the procedure be identical for everyone or tailored?
    Could removing aggressive impulses accidentally go to far and remove motivation to create further advances in science? Social (re)engineering is a polarising and controversial topic.

    Gasshō
    Seiko
    stlah
    Gandō Seiko
    頑道清光
    (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

    My street name is 'Al'.

    Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40783

      #3
      Originally posted by Seiko
      Certainly, removing the aggressive impulses might work. But how would we gain consent? Would the procedure be identical for everyone or tailored?
      Could removing aggressive impulses accidentally go to far and remove motivation to create further advances in science? Social (re)engineering is a polarising and controversial topic.

      Gasshō
      Seiko
      stlah
      On some proposed "hows," and why I believe they would be ethical, respectful of individual autonomy and free choice, as much or more than what we do in the world today ... stay tuned for a coming chapter.

      There is a risk of going too far, but I do not believe that we need to eliminate all anger, or really change more people ... only those who have issues with anger to an extent that rises to murder, child abuse and other like violent criminal offences. Most people do not harm others with violence, only a few do, and we now let them harm others, harm themselves and, if caught, waste away in prisons.

      Also, we should increase empathy widely, so that people are loath to kill others, start wars with others, allow others to be hungry and homeless. Even there, an increase in empathy among just a percentage of the population (it need not be everyone) would have great, positive effects on those problems, for aid to the hungry and homeless would sky-rocket. Is there a danger of "too much empathy?" Side effects of empathy? I would hope that there will be ways to make people just mildly more empathetic, the same way that heart medicine doses are regulated, increasing the beat of the heart slightly, not too much ... like insulin dose are regulated to change blood sugar levels slightly, not too much or too little. This medicine can be regulated in dose and effect too.

      Again, I believe there are ways to deliver the changes fully respectful of human rights, civil rights, autonomy and freedom of choice as much, or more, than we are today. That will be a topic for later discussion.

      Gassho, J

      stlah
      Last edited by Jundo; 03-05-2023, 11:46 PM.
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      • Seiko
        Novice Priest-in-Training
        • Jul 2020
        • 1081

        #4
        Originally posted by Jundo
        Is there a danger of "too much empathy?" Side effects of empathy?
        I was thinking more about the aggression component of human life rather than empathy.

        If a surfit of testosterone can make men aggressive (I am thinking of certain sports people who may seek to increase testosterone levels in an attempt to increase physical aggression and performance) could science find a way for the human species to continue without testosterone - or without males?

        Gassho Seiko
        stlah
        Last edited by Seiko; 03-06-2023, 12:58 AM.
        Gandō Seiko
        頑道清光
        (Stubborn Way of Pure Light)

        My street name is 'Al'.

        Any words I write here are merely the thoughts of an apprentice priest, just my opinions, that's all.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 40783

          #5
          Originally posted by Seiko
          I was thinking more about the aggression component of human life rather than empathy.

          If a surfit of testosterone can make men aggressive (I am thinking of certain sports people who may seek to increase testosterone levels in an attempt to increase physical aggression and performance) could science find a way for the human species to continue without testosterone - or without males?

          Gassho Seiko
          stlah
          I think that we really only need to be concerned with excess violence and anger in people who cannot control themselves and hold themselves back from doing violence toward others. That is a small percentage of the population.

          The rest of us, including athletes, are not so. Most of us do not go around stabbing and shooting, hitting people over the head with beer bottles. Athletes are fine, so long as it is not O.J.Simpson or Oscar Pistorius.

          Gassho, J

          stlah
          Last edited by Jundo; 03-10-2023, 12:25 AM.
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          • Tokan
            Member
            • Oct 2016
            • 1324

            #6
            I believe that the human race is heading, in the foreseeable future, for severe decline or its own destruction if we do not take action soon to change how human beings are right now. I believe that we will not get to the root cause of our global problems until we adjust downward (just by a little) the drives creating our human desires to consume, acquire, anger and fight, while adjusting upward (just a tad) our human potential to be satisfied, simple in tastes, moderate, caring for others, loath to act in violence and hate. We do not need to be perfect saints, ideal Buddhas or flawless Bodhisattvas. We just need to be a little better. In my view, the answer lies (assuming the technology becomes common, cannot be avoided, might be otherwise used for more nefarious ends) in altering our human DNA together with other moderating changes to our biology and brains, in body and mind, thus making us gentler, kinder, more giving and compassionate residents of this planet, more easily satisfied, caring, pacifist, loving.
            But how would we gain consent? Would the procedure be identical for everyone or tailored?

            Hi all

            In all of these debates about the future and the buddhism of the the future I like to remind myself that, things such as they are, we wish they weren't so. Deep down, I do not wish for humans to be biologically any different than they are. I sure do wish people just each did a little bit more to make the world a nicer place, and those that do great harm make a bit more effort, seeing as they are the ones with the great resources and worldly power. Even allowing for the vastness of misinformation (misinformation is endless, I vow to see through it!), it does seem that we are creating and maintaining conditions that are setting up the next two or three generations for great great suffering. Even our solutions are misguided it seems. Electric cars, while great for reducing fossil fuel use, require the core elements to be mined on a scale we have never seen before, dwarfing even that of coal according to a US Republican Senator during a debate on mining exploration rights - biased because of his advocacy for the oil industry, but the basic facts are the facts, new mine applications at unprecedented levels and increasing. We seem unable to stop ourselves from making the situation worse by the day. Our attachment even to the lowest levels of greed, anger and ignorance are driving this, and require a huge shift in the mentality of humankind. It is great that more and more people are making noise about this, but I just can't see how it will ever be enough, the solutions are likely to need to be radical. Let's not forget (based on my limited research) that climate change has had the alarm bells ringing for decades already and yet the political will to halt and reverse this is about 5% of what is actually required. We have gotten ourselves into a real pickle - without the consumption our economies will collapse, creating terrible suffering, with the consumption our ecosystem and climate will collapse, creating terrible suffering. COVID showed us that we can adapt, we can live with less, yet the post-COVID world has seen an increase in consumption and increases in the negative indicators for climate change. So while I am with Seiko and everyone else around here that consent should be the basis of how we proceed with such technology, I wonder if free-will and consent will become a luxury we cannot afford if we wish to survive. But I come back to my first point, that even with the robust debate we might have in these threads about science, that we all agree that we wish the situation was not as bad as it is. Of course we both accept it and work to change it, we all know that too. It is hard to see at the present time, how we might set up the conditions for true ethical use of such technology that can turn everyone into a Bodhisattva. I hope that we have the time to figure something out before things go too far.

            Gassho, Tokan

            satlah
            平道 島看 Heidou Tokan (Balanced Way Island Nurse)
            I enjoy learning from everyone, I simply hope to be a friend along the way

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            • Koushi
              Senior Priest-in-Training / Engineer
              • Apr 2015
              • 1380

              #7
              I wonder if free-will and consent will become a luxury we cannot afford if we wish to survive.
              If that were the only option left, perhaps it best for everything else that we didn’t.

              Gassho,
              Koushi
              STLaH
              理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi

              Please take this priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.

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              • Tokan
                Member
                • Oct 2016
                • 1324

                #8
                Originally posted by Koushi
                If that were the only option left, perhaps it best for everything else that we didn’t.

                Gassho,
                Koushi
                STLaH
                At least our practice holds true, whatever is going on around us! The path of the Bodhisattva requires us to ask these questions (in my view at least), to stick our head in the sand and 'hope' that these things do not come to pass, or do not require a Senate hearing to decide whether to move to 'the next step', seems to be an option that's not an option. I still have hope though, like many at treeleaf, and I do not believe it is a 'fool's hope'. Who now knows what will unfold in the coming years.

                Gassho, Tokan

                satlah
                平道 島看 Heidou Tokan (Balanced Way Island Nurse)
                I enjoy learning from everyone, I simply hope to be a friend along the way

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                • Koushi
                  Senior Priest-in-Training / Engineer
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 1380

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tokan
                  At least our practice holds true, whatever is going on around us! The path of the Bodhisattva requires us to ask these questions (in my view at least), to stick our head in the sand and 'hope' that these things do not come to pass, or do not require a Senate hearing to decide whether to move to 'the next step', seems to be an option that's not an option. I still have hope though, like many at treeleaf, and I do not believe it is a 'fool's hope'. Who now knows what will unfold in the coming years.
                  We're all dragged about by something or other: Greed, ignorance, good intentions. Who knows, indeed. There's something to be had in the context of accepting what-is—and also acting accordingly.

                  Gassho,
                  Koushi
                  STLaH
                  理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi

                  Please take this priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.

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