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  • Tomás ESP
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    • Aug 2020
    • 575

    Thought about doing a DNA test to understand my own ancestry better. Maybe there is not that much of a need in the end. I love the idea that we are all one big family, in one way or another. Thank you for sharing Jundo

    Gassho, Tomás
    Sat

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    • Ryumon
      Member
      • Apr 2007
      • 1801

      So you’re related to Charlemagne? You and every other living European…

      The advent of cheap genetic sequencing has given birth to a burgeoning ancestry industry. But before you pay to spit in a tube, let me give you a few facts for free


      Gassho,

      Ryūmon (Kirk)

      sat
      I know nothing.

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      • houst0n
        Member
        • Nov 2021
        • 135

        Originally posted by Tomás ESP
        Thought about doing a DNA test to understand my own ancestry better. Maybe there is not that much of a need in the end. I love the idea that we are all one big family, in one way or another. Thank you for sharing Jundo

        Gassho, Tomás
        Sat
        I wouldn’t do that if I was you. Almost all of these companies will happily share your DNA with various security services. Not that you’re probably on any most wanted list, but by adding yourself to these databases you’re also adding everyone you’re related to. I would advise doing some research on how this data will be used.

        No one knows what the future holds, but it’s probably not a bad move to avoid being on the various databases before they’re weaponised.

        Personally, I wouldn’t go near them. But I work in cybersecurity, don’t use google and refuse to have always on microphones in my house, so maybe I’m weird.




        Look after your data! That especially includes your identifying biometrics!

        Gassho, sat, neil
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        • Tomás ESP
          Member
          • Aug 2020
          • 575

          Originally posted by houst0n
          I wouldn’t do that if I was you. Almost all of these companies will happily share your DNA with various security services. Not that you’re probably on any most wanted list, but by adding yourself to these databases you’re also adding everyone you’re related to. I would advise doing some research on how this data will be used.

          No one knows what the future holds, but it’s probably not a bad move to avoid being on the various databases before they’re weaponised.

          Personally, I wouldn’t go near them. But I work in cybersecurity, don’t use google and refuse to have always on microphones in my house, so maybe I’m weird.




          Look after your data! That especially includes your identifying biometrics!

          Gassho, sat, neil


          Gassho, Tomás
          Sat&LaH

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          • Jundo
            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
            • Apr 2006
            • 40487

            Our (Almost) Cognizant Planet Earth

            Yesterday, I posted about recent genetic mapping which demonstrates the great human family:

            Scientists create biggest-ever human family tree, dating back 100,000 years



            In another paper published this week ...

            ... not only are we each other, but (Zen folks would say) we are the earth, which is the stars.

            Scientists say planetary intelligence is real, but Earth doesn't qualify yet

            There is still one big step Earth must take to be "intelligent."


            A group of astrophysicists has proposed that individual planets are capable of developing intelligence — not the kind of smarts like knowing your ABCs, but rather an intelligence associated with the interconnectedness of the life inhabiting them. However, don't assume that our planet is in this intelligent league. Earth is still one major step away from developing true planetary intelligence, a milestone that, if achieved, could help us prevent the impending climate catastrophe, the scientists said.

            In the new study, published Feb. 7 in the International Journal of Astrobiology, a group of researchers argues that a planet can be deemed intelligent if it demonstrates cognition — the capacity to know something about what's happening and act on that knowledge. This could happen if nature and technology on planets like Earth can evolve to the point where they are so interconnected that they can recognize potential issues and create feedback loops to counter them.

            "To be clear, cognition is not consciousness," the researchers wrote in an article for The Atlantic. "We don't imagine some kind of planetary super-being making self-aware decisions for the world." Instead, the team believes that cognition is a natural product of the relationship between life and the planets on which they develop.

            However, Earth hasn't entered this stage, at least not yet. "Even though Earth might be full of intelligent life, at this point in its cosmic history, it certainly doesn't seem very smart," they wrote in The Atlantic. But the new study does outline the remaining final hurdle Earth must overcome to gain true planetary intelligence.
            However, as the article then spells out, some other scientists have argued for many years that the earth is already a kind of intelligent system: the so-called GAIA Hypothesis:

            The Gaia hypothesis

            The new study is built upon a principle known as the Gaia hypothesis, an idea introduced by British scientist James Lovelock and American evolutionary biologist Lynn Margulis in the early 1970s. (Gaia is the personification of Earth from Greek mythology.)

            The Gaia hypothesis states that, as life-forms evolve on Earth, they affect the evolution of the planetary system as a whole. The idea is that the biosphere — the global ecological system integrating all living things and their relationships — can physically alter other systems, such as the atmosphere (air), cryosphere (ice), hydrosphere (water) and lithosphere (land). This back-and-forth effect has been happening since life first began on Earth, but it has become more noticeable than ever due to humanity's impacts on the planet, including human-caused climate change, pollution and deforestation.

            The researchers wanted to know if this interconnectedness between life and a planet could become so interwoven that the planet could eventually be deemed intelligent. "The biosphere tells us that once life appears in a world, that world can take on a life of its own," the researchers wrote in The Atlantic. "But if a planet with life has a life of its own, can it also have a mind of its own?"

            The idea of a collective entity like a planet having some sort of intelligence goes against the notions we have about our own intelligence. "Intelligence tends to be conceived of as something that happens in individual heads, and usually those heads sit on the shoulders of animals like humans," the researchers wrote. However, there are many examples of collective intelligence in the natural world.

            For instance, colonies of social insects, like bees, show a collective and often superior intelligence than the individuals that form them. "A single bee holds only a small amount of information about the world, but its colony as a whole knows and responds to the environment," the researchers wrote.

            Recent discoveries about fungal networks, known as mycorrhizal networks, that share water and nutrients between individual trees in forests also reveal a form of collective intelligence. "Such fungal networks allow forests stretching hundreds of miles to recognize and respond to changing conditions," the researchers wrote.

            Meanwhile, the human brain is made from trillions of connections between different neurons, meaning our own intelligence is more collective than we think.
            We humans are not spectators to all this, but part of it ... and any future development ...

            Earth is currently stuck at the immature technosphere stage, the researchers said. Our advancements in energy production are allowing us to achieve some remarkable technologies for ourselves, but those actions are significantly altering the planet. "Our technosphere is, in the long run, working against itself. It's formally stupid," the researchers wrote. "It leaves the entire planet unguided, careening into new and uncharted territory."

            If Earth ever reaches the mature technosphere stage — a pivotal feat that would signify that Earth is "intelligent" — the technology on our blue dot will advance to a point where it does not require planetary energy and resources and instead can be used to repair and improve the systems it was destroying. This would allow the technosphere to co-evolve with the biosphere in a way that allows both to thrive.

            "This would be a technosphere rooted in the biosphere, which itself is rooted in the other planetary systems — a technosphere that self-maintains the entire Earth system," the researchers wrote. ...

            Progressing to the final stage of planetary intelligence is more than just a curiosity for the researchers — it is a necessity. They believe that it may be the only way to prevent a climate catastrophe, which is nearing ever closer due to the immaturity of our technosphere.

            "Humanity stands at a most precipitous moment in both our and our planet's evolution," the researchers wrote. It is "caught in a climate crisis brought on by our supposed advancement as a civilization."

            However, thinking about intelligence on a wider scale could help us solve this problem. "Making sense of how a planet's intelligence might be defined and understood helps shine a little light on humanity's future on this planet — or lack thereof," the researchers wrote.
            More here, and it is a fascinating article:



            The full report in the Cambridge International Journal of Astrobiology:


            In any case, the earth is not something that we are just living on or witnessing, but is us happening too, and we are it happening. We are the earth earthing, and the earth is also us. This is something that Buddhists have long known,

            Hmmm. And might there be such "cognition" on a universal scale too? I suppose it depends, to some degree, how one defines these things and where on is looking. Hmmm.

            Gassho, J

            STLah

            Sorry to run long.
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            • Jundo
              Treeleaf Founder and Priest
              • Apr 2006
              • 40487

              And it is a big sky too! And everything in that sky is "you" too ... and me ... and we are all that as it is us! As much you or me as the hairs on our own heads!


              New map of the night sky reveals 4.4 million galaxies and other space objects

              Some 4.4 million space objects billions of light-years away have been mapped by astronomers, including 1 million space objects that hadn't been spotted before.

              The vast majority of these objects are galaxies that harbor massive black holes or rapidly growing new stars. Other discoveries include colliding groups of distant galaxies and flaring stars, which vary in brightness, within the Milky Way, according to a news statement from Durham University in England.

              The observations were made by analyzing a huge amount of data from the sensitive Low Frequency Array telescope, known as LOFAR, which is using low radio frequencies to observe about a quarter of the Northern Hemisphere's sky and catalog it in fine detail. It's operated by ASTRON, the Netherlands Institute for Radio Astronomy.

              Each time we create a map our screens are filled with new discoveries and objects that have never before been seen by human eyes. Exploring the unfamiliar phenomena that glow in the energetic radio universe is such an incredible experience and our team is thrilled to be able to release these maps publicly," said astronomer Timothy Shimwell, an associate scientist at ASTRON and Leiden University, in the statement.

              This data release was only 27% of the entire survey, Shimwell said.

              Some 4.4 million space objects billions of light-years away have been mapped by astronomers, including 1 million space objects that hadn’t been spotted before.

              Gassho, J

              STLah
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              • Tai Shi
                Member
                • Oct 2014
                • 3429

                Yes, the common ancestry, and our first cities living together as one harmonious group, and then that was time. 25,000 years ago.
                Gassho
                sat/ lah
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                • Tairin
                  Member
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 2830

                  Thank you for posting these articles Jundo. I find this stuff fascinating. I was introduced to the Gaia Theory back in my university days. I recently read “Entangled Life” by Merlin Sheldrake (https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/b...lin-sheldrake/) that talks about the effects mycorrhizal networks have on life. One of my next books to read is “The Hidden Life of Trees” by Peter Wohlleben (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...-life-of-trees).

                  I wonder if the Earth has achieved a state of cognizance in the past but maybe we modern humans are disrupting that. Of course the Earth may be trying to correct for our actions too


                  Tairin
                  Sat today and lah
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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 40487

                    Originally posted by Tairin

                    I wonder if the Earth has achieved a state of cognizance in the past but maybe we modern humans are disrupting that. Of course the Earth may be trying to correct for our actions too
                    At the very least, Earth has a kind of "reset" function if we mess things up badly enough. Then, maybe the bug or bonobos or dolphins can have a go ...



                    I also mentioned in that interview on Buddhist futurism that, in my belief, it seems pretty obvious by now that life is probably scattered across myriad planets in our vast universe, some of it intelligent, something like seeds spaced far enough apart (for whatever reason) so as not to interfere with each other easily. Even if our civilization does not get it right, and makes a muck of our planet, our "cousins" in Alpha Centauri or someplace else will likely not make such mistakes, and intelligent life will go on. No worries, on the grand scale of things.

                    Gassho, J

                    STLah
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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 40487

                      The Fast and the Furious ...

                      Largest shock wave in the universe is '60 times larger than the Milky Way,' new study finds

                      The wave has been blasting through space at near-light-speed for 200 million years.


                      ... Located about 730 million light-years from Earth, Abell 3667 is a galaxy cluster in chaos. Actually composed of two clusters (or groups) of galaxies colliding into one another, Abell 3667 contains more than 550 individual galaxies slowly stirring into one big cosmic gumbo.

                      It's not readily apparent to most telescopes, but this cosmic collision has created an enormous disturbance in the region — a gargantuan shock wave flaring out of either side of the merging cluster, and visible only in radio wavelengths.

                      Now, a new study published Feb. 7 in the journal Astronomy & Astrophysics offers the most detailed picture ever captured of this enormous wave. Using the MeerKAT radio telescope array in South Africa, the researchers imaged both halves of the shock wave's radio component — also called "radio relics" — and found that the structures are far more complex than previous observations indicated.

                      "The shock waves act as giant particle accelerators and accelerate electrons almost to the speed of light," lead study author Francesco de Gasperin, visiting scientist at the Hamburg Observatory in Germany, said in a statement. "The waves are threaded by an intricate pattern of bright filaments that trace the location of giant magnetic field lines and the regions where electrons are accelerated."

                      According to the researchers, the shock wave first blasted into being about 1 billion years ago, when the two galaxy clusters that make up Abell 3667 first collided. Galaxy clusters are the most enormous gravitationally-bound structures in the universe; when two of them merge, they release the largest amount of energy in a single event since the Big Bang, the researchers said.

                      As the wave shot electrons into space at near-light-speed, the particles tore through magnetic fields in the region, emitting the twin arcs of radio waves seen today. The researchers found that those radio arcs each move at more than 3.3 million miles per second (5.3 million kilometers per second), are about 13 million light-years apart from each other; and each measure 60 times larger than the entire Milky Way galaxy, which spans about 100,000 light-years in diameter.
                      https://www.livescience.com/merging-...667-shock-wave
                      The northern shock wave (or "radio relic") glows in radio wavelengths as electrons blast through insterstellar space.



                      Gassho, J

                      STLah
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Jundo
                        Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 40487

                        As we do our best to, it often seems, end life on this planet .... fear not, for the universe which we are somehow finds a way ...

                        Astronomers have detected the largest organic molecule ever seen in a cloud of planet-forming dust, potentially offering new insights into the way that the building blocks of life end up on planets.

                        Using the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) telescope in Chile, researchers studied the light emitted by different molecules in the lopsided ring of dust and ice surrounding the young star IRS 48, located about 444 light-years from Earth in the constellation Ophiuchus.

                        Within the dusty ring, the researchers saw clear traces of an organic compound called dimethyl ether — a large molecule that's commonly detected in stellar nurseries (cold, dusty regions of space where new stars form) and is a precursor to crucial building blocks of life, such as amino acids and sugars, the team wrote in a study published Mar. 8 in the journal Astronomy and Astrophysics.

                        https://www.livescience.com/largest-...t-forming-disk
                        Gassho, J

                        STLah
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                        • Meian
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                          • Apr 2015
                          • 1722

                          All of this is why astronomy is one of my most favorite subjects. I'm not good at talking the lingo, but I love reading about it and soak up everything I can of research and how it all works. For me, the origin of all that is.

                          Was just discussing this (astronomy, physics, philosophy) with a student last night.

                          Thank you for sharing. [emoji120] Sorry for running long.

                          Gassho2, meian st

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                          • Jundo
                            Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 40487

                            A Japanese temple mystery to be solved ... with SCIENCE!

                            A “mermaid mummy” kept at a temple has been an object of worship, the stuff of nightmares and a source of mystery for hundreds of years.

                            Now, for the first time, a project has started to scientifically analyze the mummified creature, which has the upper body of a human and the lower body of a fish.

                            The researchers from the Kurashiki University of Science and the Arts here and other organizations plan to announce their findings around autumn.

                            On Feb. 2, Kozen Kuida, 60, chief priest at Enjuin temple in Asakuchi in the prefecture [a Tendai Buddhist temple], removed the 30-centimeter-long treasured specimen from a paulownia box in the CT scanning room of the university’s veterinary hospital.

                            Laying face up on an examination table, the mummy appeared to be locked in a scream while holding its hands to its mouth. In addition to nails and teeth, the mummy has hair on its head and scales on the lower body.

                            According to a note contained in the same box of the “dried mermaid,” the creature was caught in a fishing net on the coast of Tosa Province (present-day Kochi Prefecture) between 1736 and 1741.

                            The Kojima family in Bingo-Fukuyama Province bought the mummy before it was passed on to other owners after the turn of the Meiji Era (1868-1912).

                            ... Takafumi Kato, 54, a professor at the university specializing in paleontology, is in charge of the morphology analysis of the upper body of the Enjuin temple specimen. It will be his first research on a mythical creature. ... An associate professor specializing in ichthyology is focusing on the lower body, while another associate professor with expertise in molecular biology is carrying out a DNA analysis. ... The team will release their results later in the year, they said. ...


                            “We have worshipped it, hoping that it would help alleviate the coronavirus pandemic even if only slightly,” the head priest said. “I hope the research project can leave (scientific) records for future generations.”

                            https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14543351


                            Gassho, J

                            STLah
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                            • Shokai
                              Dharma Transmitted Priest
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 6394

                              Very interesting. That note accompanying the remains, perportedly to be 300 years (give or take a few), appears to be in very good condition. (Could it be it a copy and they didn't show the original?)

                              gassho, Shokai
                              stlah
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                              gassho, Shokai

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                              • Jundo
                                Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 40487

                                Originally posted by Shokai
                                Very interesting. That note accompanying the remains, perportedly to be 300 years (give or take a few), appears to be in very good condition. (Could it be it a copy and they didn't show the original?)

                                gassho, Shokai
                                stlah
                                Japanese washi paper can last a long time ... also SCIENCE!

                                In 2014, “Washi, craftsmanship of traditional Japanese handmade paper,” was inscribed on UNESCO’s Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity. The art of making paper entered Japan around the seventh century, and the Shōsōin treasure house in Nara holds a family register written on domestically produced Minogami paper from the beginning of the eighth century. The history of washi therefore stretches back at least 1,300 years. Differences in climate and topography have since given rise to a wide variety of distinctive types of paper in different parts of the country.


                                They have many examples which still survive in good condition from even the Heian Period, 1000+ years ago ...



                                Letter Known as "Kuni no Moshibumi Jo," by Fujiwara no Sukemasa, Heian period, dated 982.

                                Gassho, J

                                STLah
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