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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 42224

    [FutureBuddha] Too Real ...

    Well, this will freak lots of people out ... and has implications for Buddhist teachings on what is real, what is self, and what is not ...

    Now I am even starting to doubt if Treeleaf is real? Is Kotei real? Bion? Onkai? Any of you? At least I know that Emi Jido is real! (Wait until you see her next iteration, without the anime body!) Dig the Buddhist ending to the video.
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    Google's newest AI video generator, Veo 3, generates clips that most users online can't seem to distinguish from those made by human filmmakers and actors.
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    At least, this will make the news and our political situation clearer (NOT) when any world leader can be shown saying and doing anything.
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    Am I real?

    Gassho, J
    stlah
    Last edited by Jundo; 05-26-2025, 05:47 AM.
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 42224

    #2
    Ps - Now I am not sure if the above video is real or a prank. The video seems to be real, as the animator says "These are some of my early experiments with Google's Veo 3."
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    • Bion
      Senior Priest-in-Training
      • Aug 2020
      • 5554

      #3
      Oh, it looks like AI and I've seen other Veo videos, so it is capable of generating this with a fairly easy prompt. However, the title of the video is clickbait.. AI does not react to anything.. it follows the prompt.
      It is a little Uncanny Valley...

      Gassho
      sat lah
      "A person should train right here & now.
      Whatever you know as discordant in the world,
      don't, for its sake, act discordantly,
      for that life, the enlightened say, is short." - The Buddha

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      • Koushi
        Senior Priest-in-Training / Engineer
        • Apr 2015
        • 1518

        #4
        Wake me up when I can plug into the Matrix.

        (see what I did there?)

        Gassho,
        Koushi
        ST
        理道弘志 | Ridō Koushi

        Please take this priest-in-training's words with a grain of salt.

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        • Jundo
          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
          • Apr 2006
          • 42224

          #5
          Originally posted by Bion
          Oh, it looks like AI and I've seen other Veo videos, so it is capable of generating this with a fairly easy prompt. However, the title of the video is clickbait.. AI does not react to anything.. it follows the prompt.
          It is a little Uncanny Valley...

          Gassho
          sat lah
          Some (not all) of the animations could fool me without very close examination.

          And, of course, A.I. does not react to anything. Or does it? If you mean that it may not consciously "react," yes, but ants react to stimuli, as do flowers and even "chemical reactions" react. So, I am not so sure.
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          It is still confusing to me why almost every expert I hear asserting that "AI is not conscious" also admits that (1) AI intelligence is a 'black box' that we do not understand, and (2) we have little understanding what is "consciousness," and (3) consciousness may be nothing more than a meta-phenomena, an extraneous add-on to 99% of what our brain does without conscious awareness, and (4) alien "consciousness" among other species and on other worlds may be very different from our own.

          No, A.I. may not react like we react ... but perhaps it is more than ants and flowers.

          Gassho, J
          stlah
          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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          • Bion
            Senior Priest-in-Training
            • Aug 2020
            • 5554

            #6
            Originally posted by Jundo

            Some (not all) of the animations could fool me without very close examination.

            And, of course, A.I. does not react to anything. Or does it? If you mean that it may not consciously "react," yes, but ants react to stimuli, as do flowers and even "chemical reactions" react. So, I am not so sure.
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            It is still confusing to me why almost every expert I hear asserting that "AI is not conscious" also admits that (1) AI intelligence is a 'black box' that we do not understand, and (2) we have little understanding what is "consciousness," and (3) consciousness may be nothing more than a meta-phenomena, an extraneous add-on to 99% of what our brain does without conscious awareness, and (4) alien "consciousness" among other species and on other worlds may be very different from our own.

            No, A.I. may not react like we react ... but perhaps it is more than ants and flowers.

            Gassho, J
            stlah
            Well, in this case in particular, you give it a prompt like " create a video of an AI as buddhist monk with a serene look on his face, sitting on a rooftop, talking about being real" and it will do that, and then one can tweak until getting the desired results. This whole shtick is about the capabilities is has to produce visually accurate stuff.. The scary stuff is not the AI, but the human prompts behind what it produces. AI produces nothing out of its own volition.

            Gassho
            sat lah
            "A person should train right here & now.
            Whatever you know as discordant in the world,
            don't, for its sake, act discordantly,
            for that life, the enlightened say, is short." - The Buddha

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            • Junsho
              Member
              • Mar 2024
              • 259

              #7
              Hi Roshi Jundo ,

              Just to make you even more scary, look the story about the scam that happened last year.

              A finance worker at a multinational firm was tricked into paying out $25 million to fraudsters using deepfake technology to pose as the company’s chief financial officer in a video conference call, according to Hong Kong police.


              More, even though there is no "self" to say that I am here, the someone that you call Junshō is present at this moment in time .

              Gassho
              SatLah
              Junshō 純聲 - Pure Voice, Genuine Speech
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              If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” - Linji Yixuan​​

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              • FNJ
                Member
                • May 2025
                • 100

                #8
                Also shocking whistleblowing and predictions from Daniel Kokotajlo formerly of Open AI:





                Sat LAH
                Gassho
                Niall

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                • Jundo
                  Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 42224

                  #9
                  An interesting explanation of how Veo 3 is used, and its innovations ...
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                  Gassho, J
                  stlah
                  ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                  • Jundo
                    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 42224

                    #10
                    When I saw this online today, I realized that this could easily become some kind of AI religion (actually, there is a paragraph in my book predicting that there will be people who do just that ...) (These are all Veo 3 videos, by the way) ...
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                    May the Prompt be with you ...


                    My latest book covers simulation hypothesis, and the notion of a "natural intelligence" to reality ... so, it could become a holy book of "Promptism" ...

                    Gassho, J
                    stlah
                    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                    • Jundo
                      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 42224

                      #11
                      Veo 3 ... Gone Wild, Weird and Wrong! ...
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                      Gassho, J
                      stlah
                      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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                      • Noel
                        Member
                        • May 2025
                        • 25

                        #12
                        Hi,

                        I just discovered this section. I am working as an AI trainer helping language models in Spanish and Swedish. So, I guess... I am contributing to this next AI religion. In some way I am creating Promptism's God, or is The Prompt using me to develop itself?

                        Gassho,

                        Noel
                        There is only One Being.

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                        • Jundo
                          Treeleaf Founder and Priest
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 42224

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Noel
                          Hi,

                          I just discovered this section. I am working as an AI trainer helping language models in Spanish and Swedish. So, I guess... I am contributing to this next AI religion. In some way I am creating Promptism's God, or is The Prompt using me to develop itself?

                          Gassho,

                          Noel


                          Gassho, J
                          stlah
                          ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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