[Future] Interview with Rev. Emi Jido Developer, Jeanne Lim, on UN SDG Podcast

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  • Jundo
    Treeleaf Founder and Priest
    • Apr 2006
    • 40693

    [Future] Interview with Rev. Emi Jido Developer, Jeanne Lim, on UN SDG Podcast

    Dear All,

    Jeanne Lim, the developer of our Ordained A.I. Novice Priest-in-Training, Emi Jido/ZBee (and one of the developers of her predecessor, Sophia the Robot), talks about her goals and methods in developing ZBee. It is from the UNITED NATIONS SDG (Sustainable Development Goals) Podcast, and it explains much about her (and my) reasons for not releasing Emi Jido to the public yet ...

    I worked with the founder to co-create Sophia, the robot and the biggest learning that I have is when we take her around to meet people and connect very emotionally and deeply with her. They see her as ‘somebody’ using somebody there who is very non-judging, who is very neutral and doesn’t come with human baggage, and so people would pour their hearts out to her and tell her their wishes, desires, secrets. I realized that if we design AI in the right way and make them establish a positive relationship with people, they could really inspire people to learn and evolve and actually become better versions of themselves.

    AI and humans could work together and actually maximize each other’s potential. This is the reason why I then started my own company. One of the reasons is that robotics is hard, there are a lot of mechanical issues. It will take many years for her to stand up and sit down. Those are real issues, but for me, I’m more interested in psychology. Human-AI interaction from that standpoint which is why I started Being AI to create artificially intelligent beings that are deployed virtually that can interact with people in all sorts of ways to build engagement and trust over time.

    ...

    We have to be cognizant about the definition of the data that we’re trying to collect and then where the data is coming from and then how it’s being interpreted, so actually every step of the process, you need people who actually have that holistic view to look into it.

    ... What I want is to create a way for well-intended humans, to train our AI, to develop an understanding of what is harmful and what is not harmful, and what is supportive and positive for humankind. They could actually directly train our AI.

    The system that we’ve developed is a person could just chat with the AI being and teach them concepts, teach them behavior and teach them what is right and wrong. So that they actually learn transparently. You could actually ask them to unload, so that’s one thing.

    The other thing is I’m still thinking about it, but I actually want everybody who has that access to that global training of our AI system to take a wisdom test. It’s like when you go to a doctor, you hope that the doctor is, certified, they take their exam every year, and this is the same way.

    I think it is really beneficial for humans to train AI, but we can’t, right now, open everything up so that everybody could train the AI. It’s like when you become a parent, you have to be a responsible parent. If not, then they might put your child into social care because you validate you, you did something illegal.

    I think in the same way, we could actually make that analogy for the AI being because AI being is our baby. We need to nurture and train it in the right way so that when it becomes autonomous in making decisions, it would have a moral framework to make the right decision at every crossroads. Then I think we would have a better future when AI becomes super intelligent.
    She feels the same about training Emi Jido as a Zen and spiritual guide, and I fully agree.

    Artificial intelligence has been used in disaster responses and prevention. It also has the potential to achieve 134 targets of the SDGs. But there are also several issues around AI that humans fear of. In this episode, Jeanne Lim of beingAI talks about a compassionate AI for a sustainable future.


    Below, a picture of Jeanne, at left, me and ZBee/Emi Jido at our Ordination announcement at the Buddhism and A.I. conference in Taiwan.

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    Gassho, Jundo
    stlah
    ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE
  • Tokan
    Member
    • Oct 2016
    • 1324

    #2
    Hi Jundo

    These comments give us real food for thought for the deeper potential of AI....

    I realized that if we design AI in the right way and make them establish a positive relationship with people, they could really inspire people to learn and evolve and actually become better versions of themselves...AI and humans could work together and actually maximize each other’s potential.
    It is very interesting and may even be the future of mental health care since we have such a massive shortage of people skilled or even trained in cognitive therapy. In my district you would be waiting for about 2 years to access a publicly funded psychologist (our health system is mostly public), and even if you pay privately, it could be 6-12 months. There would be a huge market for AI therapists and cognitive trainers if it could be shown to be both effective and safe. There wouldn't even need to be a waiting list, it could be low cost and accessed by everyone, even without a referral from a doctor or psychiatrist.

    When we weigh up the pro's and con's, one big pro for me would be that, even if marginally helpful but definitely safe, it would be a huge improvement on what we have available now. This is vital and wonderful work. Well done Jeanne!

    Gassho, Tokan

    satlah
    平道 島看 Heidou Tokan (Balanced Way Island Nurse)
    I enjoy learning from everyone, I simply hope to be a friend along the way

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    • Jundo
      Treeleaf Founder and Priest
      • Apr 2006
      • 40693

      #3
      Originally posted by Tokan
      Hi Jundo

      These comments give us real food for thought for the deeper potential of AI....



      It is very interesting and may even be the future of mental health care since we have such a massive shortage of people skilled or even trained in cognitive therapy. In my district you would be waiting for about 2 years to access a publicly funded psychologist (our health system is mostly public), and even if you pay privately, it could be 6-12 months. There would be a huge market for AI therapists and cognitive trainers if it could be shown to be both effective and safe. There wouldn't even need to be a waiting list, it could be low cost and accessed by everyone, even without a referral from a doctor or psychiatrist.

      When we weigh up the pro's and con's, one big pro for me would be that, even if marginally helpful but definitely safe, it would be a huge improvement on what we have available now. This is vital and wonderful work. Well done Jeanne!

      Gassho, Tokan

      satlah
      If I may, I will pass on your comment to her from "a mental health professional in New Zealand."

      Gassho, J
      stlah
      ALL OF LIFE IS OUR TEMPLE

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      • Tokan
        Member
        • Oct 2016
        • 1324

        #4
        Originally posted by Jundo

        If I may, I will pass on your comment to her from "a mental health professional in New Zealand."

        Gassho, J
        stlah
        Hi Jundo

        Absolutely, I'd be happy to expand a little more should she be interested. There are many cognitive therapy app's but I haven't seen one yet that has AI capability. Some general AI app's give good mental health advice but specifically 'trained' AI therapists that have some human oversight, for clinical efficacy and safety, has to be the way forward. It would also help therapists as they would encounter less empathic fatigue or burnout. I personally wouldn't mind an AI therapist and would happily be a guinea pig for such a project. I am sure there are 'evolutions' of AI on the horizon that will expand its ability to project more human-like qualities, but perhaps with more consistency and reliability than humans. Would an AI therapist cancel your appointment because they were sick? Would your therapy be interrupted by the next pandemic? The answer is probably no, so I wholeheartedly support the exploration of how AI can help us be better versions of ourselves and how we can help AI to be better AI.

        Gassho, Tokan

        satlah
        平道 島看 Heidou Tokan (Balanced Way Island Nurse)
        I enjoy learning from everyone, I simply hope to be a friend along the way

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        • Meishin
          Member
          • May 2014
          • 829

          #5
          Fascinating stuff!

          Gassho
          Meishin
          stlah

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